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Old 08-11-2005, 01:28 AM   #16
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I think that Sirius should mark the Un-Censored Channels like XM does. We need both.

For the record I think that the Un-Censored Channels should be

19 - Buzz Saw
20- Octane
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28 - Faction
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40- Hip Hop Nation
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Are you kidding? That would defeat the whole bloody purpose of having satellite radio. EVERY music channel should be uncensored. The only "censored" ones should be the kids, religious, and the news/television channels that are already broadcast that way.
Ditto. And maybe censor Hits 1 since a lot of stores have that playing on their demo units.


It would actually be pretty cool if Sirius could give you the option of censored or uncensored. It would send out the uncensored stream to the receivers, but it would also send out data stating at what time in the song something needs to be censored and for how long. So if you turn on the censor option, the receiver would just mute the sound over a bad word. Granted, it wouldn't give you the cleaner edits, but it would be a good option to flip on with kids in the car or for stores to use on demo units.
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Old 08-11-2005, 08:25 AM   #17
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I think that Sirius should mark the Un-Censored Channels like XM does. We need both.

For the record I think that the Un-Censored Channels should be

19 - Buzz Saw
20- Octane
27- Hard Attack
28 - Faction
30 - Reggae Rhythms
36 - Outlaw Country
40- Hip Hop Nation
42- Wax
43- Back Spin
44 - Shade 45
50 - Hot Jamz
61- Boombox
62 - Remix
63- Area 63
147 - Raw Dog
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Are you kidding? That would defeat the whole bloody purpose of having satellite radio. EVERY music channel should be uncensored. The only "censored" ones should be the kids, religious, and the news/television channels that are already broadcast that way.
Everyone is not like you. Some people bought Sirius to hear commercial free muisc. Kids and Families listen to more than just Kids Stuff and Radio Disney. Sirius needs to appeal to more people than you.
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TX WJ - You're leading us, once again, into the tired subject of people properly parenting their childen. Why, as an adult in my late 20s, whose parents wouldn't let him see R-rated movies, pornography, or listen to music with explicit lyrics, must I still be prevented from partaking in these things because of the children??

If this trend continues, services like cable TV and satellite radio will become just as bland, unentertaining, and uninteresting as most of us find broadcast TV and terrestrial radio right now.
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Old 08-11-2005, 09:35 AM   #19
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Are you kidding? That would defeat the whole bloody purpose of having satellite radio. EVERY music channel should be uncensored. The only "censored" ones should be the kids, religious, and the news/television channels that are already broadcast that way.
I hope you are joking or simply didn't think through what you are saying. Why should the childrens or religious music streams be uncensored then? Or are you suggesting that a) people of faith don't want to hear uncensored music and b) children only listen to 2 streams. I drive my son around ALOT as a stay-at-home dad and I don't want only Disney and Kidstuff as acceptable streams for my son to listen to. That being said there are a number of streams that don't really need to play edited songs since the songs are, by their nature, not offensive to children etc.

The whole purpose of the having satellite radio is NOT to hear the word fuck on the radio, or the unedited versions of songs. The purpose is to have better quality programming and reliable reception across the country. I am sure there are a number of people who want better programming and nation-wide reception but don't want all of the streams uncensored.
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dantodd, I respect your opinion, and others, but the fact is: The artists put things into their songs for a reason. If it's "censored" (or more properly, called radio edited) then that defeats the purpose that the artist intended. If you don't think your child should hear it, then fine, don't let your child listen to that music. It should NOT be the job of Sirius to alter these songs or to seek out the "family friendly" versions. You want your child listening to the latest radio-edit versions of gangsta rap? Go get the CD from Walmart, where they are all about "family friendly". The whole argument about which genres deserve editing and which don't is plainly silly. If the artist fits the genre, and decided to put in some "dirty" words, then either deal with it, or don't listen to it. It's not the corporate world who should be concerned about what your kids listen to. It is your job as a parent and yours alone to screen BEFORE the fact what your child listens to.
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TX WJ - You're leading us, once again, into the tired subject of people properly parenting their childen. Why, as an adult in my late 20s, whose parents wouldn't let him see R-rated movies, pornography, or listen to music with explicit lyrics, must I still be prevented from partaking in these things because of the children??

If this trend continues, services like cable TV and satellite radio will become just as bland, unentertaining, and uninteresting as most of us find broadcast TV and terrestrial radio right now.
So you think Standard Time, Movin EZ, and New Country should have DJ's drooping the F-Bomb?

If the audience is adults then I have no problem. No one is advocating that all the channels be censored.

Do you really think it makes business sense to illuminate parents from Sirius target market?
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dantodd, I respect your opinion, and others, but the fact is: The artists put things into their songs for a reason. If it's "censored" (or more properly, called radio edited) then that defeats the purpose that the artist intended. If you don't think your child should hear it, then fine, don't let your child listen to that music. It should NOT be the job of Sirius to alter these songs or to seek out the "family friendly" versions. You want your child listening to the latest radio-edit versions of gangsta rap? Go get the CD from Walmart, where they are all about "family friendly". The whole argument about which genres deserve editing and which don't is plainly silly. If the artist fits the genre, and decided to put in some "dirty" words, then either deal with it, or don't listen to it. It's not the corporate world who should be concerned about what your kids listen to. It is your job as a parent and yours alone to screen BEFORE the fact what your child listens to.
I've two girls 7 and 11 yrs old.

They are just now getting past "kids" streams. I do monitor, what they listen to as best I can but appreciate help at times. Certain stations/genre's are clearly not appropriate for kids and also shouldn't be edited/censored. (notably Hip/Hop)

Two versions of every station would be too much bandwidth, essentially doubling the number of stations, can't be done.

Other stations are 95% "safe" but I appreciate it if "censored" if the kids are listening to Hits 1, and some new Eminem/50cent song comes on....if you are a hip/hop fan go back to Shade 45, leave the kids with their MTV, it's not the downfall of civilization to refrain from cussing.

Just label the stations with explicit language so I can have some idea what is OK with me for my 7 yr old. Don't censor Alt Nation, First Wave, Hot Jamz without telling us about it.
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Dantodd - Actually, the purpose is for music that's not normally heard on the radio to be heard as the artists intended them.
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So you think Standard Time, Movin EZ, and New Country should have DJ's drooping the F-Bomb?

If the audience is adults then I have no problem. No one is advocating that all the channels be censored.

Do you really think it makes business sense to illiminate parents from Sirius target market?
Who said anything about the DJ's? The biggest complaint here is the altering of the MUSIC. And, this strategy doesn't eliminate parents at all. It may eliminate children, sure, but not the parents.
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So you think Standard Time, Movin EZ, and New Country should have DJ's drooping the F-Bomb?

If the audience is adults then I have no problem. No one is advocating that all the channels be censored.

Do you really think it makes business sense to illiminate parents from Sirius target market?
Obviously, the DJ needs to determine when it's appropriate. I don't think any songs on the playlists of any of those channels have any cursing in them, so it really wouldn't make sense for the DJ to curse.

I have a similar problem with XM, where they have the xL channels which have cursing, and then the non-xL channels which are all over the board in how much or how little cursing they have in the songs, then the DJs are told they can't cuss at all. I've suggested a ratings system more like TV (All ages, Over 14, and adult), but there seems to be no interest in persuing that.
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Old 08-11-2005, 10:27 AM   #26
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I don't want all the streams censored, but I think it is wise to mark which ones are not. I too like to hear the music as the artist intended. I just think that it is wrong to blindside a parent with a small child in the car.

I have heard DJ's curse on streams that they shouldn't.

Tune into Octane or Shade 45 and you expect to hear the F-bomb on songs and occasionally the DJ's
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I say, mark the channels that are censored. Uncensor the rest of them including Hit's 1. If you want censored music, listen to FM. Kids hear these edited songs, go out and buy the CD, then hear it uncensored anyway. And if you get a censored version for them and don't think that they're hearing the uncensored from one of their friends - I would think again. Satellite radio is trying to appeal to everyone and they will never be successful. HBO does not play censored versions of their movies. If you don't want your kid exposed to that, you don't get HBO for them. Wait to see it on TNT.
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So maybe what we need is indeed the happy medium as squigy proposed. Not censorship/radio editing, but more along the lines of ratings for the channels. I could certainly live with that solution.
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I say, mark the channels that are censored. Uncensor the rest of them including Hit's 1. If you want censored music, listen to FM. Kids hear these edited songs, go out and buy the CD, then hear it uncensored anyway. And if you get a censored version for them and don't think that they're hearing the uncensored from one of their friends - I would think again. Satellite radio is trying to appeal to everyone and they will never be successful. HBO does not play censored versions of their movies. If you don't want your kid exposed to that, you don't get HBO for them. Wait to see it on TNT.
I guess you have never watched HBO Family then?
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Yes but "HBO Family" is not "HBO". That would be the equivalent of "Sirius Family" which me might as well call "FM without commercials".
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