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Old 08-14-2005, 10:45 PM   #91
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If I see any Sprint customers walking along listening to Sirius censored music, I'm going to smash their pretty little phones. (Just kidding) I'm not a violent person. They will all probably sue Sirius and put them out of business when they get brain cancer from listening to Sirius with their phones glued to their ears 24/7. Let's see Mel put his old buddy Stern on the phone service and try to censor him. UP YOURS MEL!!! This idiot is going to run this company out of business.
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Old 08-14-2005, 10:56 PM   #92
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Mel isn't an idiot. Period. And he knows not to censor Howard. While we may not like some of their decisions, to say he is going to put the company out of business is complete hogwash, if anything he's going to help this company become the greatest $12.95 a month you'll ever spend.
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Mel isn't an idiot. Period. And he knows not to censor Howard. While we may not like some of their decisions, to say he is going to put the company out of business is complete hogwash, if anything he's going to help this company become the greatest $12.95 a month you'll ever spend.
Well he took two steps backwards with this decision.
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:37 AM   #94
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Well he took two steps backwards with this decision.
That is really a matter of opinion. I do not know of a single person that I have recommend Sirius or XM too that have asked me... DO THEY HAVE UNCENSORED CHANNELS? I think this is a big deal to a select few, but to the masses, which is what Sat Radio must appeal, it isn't a big deal at all. There will always be edited channels and those that aren't, so we have a few more that are now. If that turns into more subscribers and helps Sirius in the long term... then I am all for it. I think this is being over hyped big time.
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Well he took two steps backwards with this decision.
That is really a matter of opinion.
Well yeah it's a matter of opinion...nearly every post on this thread is based on a matter of opinion, as is yours.

Anyways, I think it is a fairly important deal to the people that signed up hoping that they could listen to songs the way they were originally meant to be heard.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the whole idea that censoring some of these channels is family friendly. Not too many families are going to be cruising down the road listening to Hot Jamz and expecting to find "family friendly" music anyways.

That was one of the huge advantages to having satellite radio for me, being able to listen to that genre of music without the radio edits of the local FM stations. Now that SIRIUS is playing the radio edits, what advantage does it have over the local FM other than no commercials.

I doubt many of you listen to Hot Jamz but you should try it out now that the radio edits are being played. There are some songs that are unbarable to listen to because they are so chopped up. It sounds like crap now, and thats one of the things that irks me so much. Why should I listen to chopped up music when I could make or buy a CD that won't contain the chops?

I think that this situation could hurt them with the urban demographic. What makes listening to chopped up songs better than the un-edited songs on CD's?
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And let me clarify, I do realize that there are other, supposedly, alternatives to find some of the music on Hot Jamz...but Hip-Hop Nation and Shade 45 don't offer near the same programming that Hot Jamz does.

They are in two different categories (HHN and Shade in Hip-Hop; Hot Jamz in R&B/Urban), and yes, there is a difference. That's another thing that irks me, the complaints that are sent to SIRIUS tell us to turn to HHN and Shade 45 for similar programming....well, they aren't. There isn't a true alternative to Hot Jamz.
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Anyways, I think it is a fairly important deal to the people that signed up hoping that they could listen to songs the way they were originally meant to be heard.
That is the thing, it is my opinion that not many folks sign up thinking. OKAY NOW I GET ALL THIS UNCENSORED MUSIC to listen too. I don't think many folks even think about that. They get Sat Radio mainly for variety and lack of commercials, not necessarily unedited music. Though I am sure some like yourself do, but Sirius doesn't promise every channel is unedited.

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This is the choice that folks like yourself that is apparently so bother by this will have to decide. I do listen to this channel pretty often, but like I said, I am not that bother by the edits, but that is me.

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Nah, its not going to hurt them except with some existing subscribers that knew it before it was edited. I think those new subscribers coming onboard will find it that way from the start and won't think that much about it. It's always when you take something away that someone has had that its generally a problem. By the way, I don't think anyone is saying an edited version is necessarily better, but that is the route that Sirius has decided to go and like it or not, family friendly is in rather you buy it not. There was a deal made around them doing this so rather it pans out or not, only time will tell. But as I said its my opinion this isn't going to be the disaster that some of you seem to think.
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To each his own, and I mean no offense, but it baffles me that anyone can really enjoy a song that's laden with entire phrases being chopped or reversed or otherwise garbled and say it's no big deal with a straight face. It totally destroys the melody and flow of songs, not to mention the fact that they often make no damn sense lyrically in their sanitized-for-your-protection versions (of course some would say they often make no sense in their unedited form but that's another argument). I'm not a big fan or modern rap or R&B so the Hot Jamz censoring doesn't bother me much but I empathize and totally agree with those who are outraged. So far I have not heard conclusive evidence that Faction or Alt Nation are regularly being screwed with but give them an inch and they'll take a mile and we'll be on our way to FM-land, just with better variety.

If they get away with edits, don't think for a second that they won't try commercials down the road. And I'm sure there will be people saying, "oh 2 or 3 commercials an hour isn't that bad". I swear to God, these massive corporations just can't resist screwing up a good thing...yeah, yeah, it's all about money, always, but it used to be (at least SOMETIMES) about balancing corporate interests with putting out a unique, quality product. Now it's all about squeezing every possible last red cent and offering a bare minimum of quality--just enough so people can rationalize away all the BS and keep parting with their money. If it gets much worse on Sirius this fool will no longer be parting with his, thank you very much. Why do I think that in 2 years Howard Stern will be right back where he is now, but battling Sirius' suits instead of Infinity's over what he can say on his show?

But hey at least all the Sprint cell-phone zombies will have something else to obsess over on their stupid phones, and without any bothersome cusswords.
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I do not know of a single person that I have recommend Sirius or XM too that have asked me... DO THEY HAVE UNCENSORED CHANNELS?
For once I have to disagree with you DAB. The primary reason I and pratically everyone I know who has SIRIUS got it because of the uncensored music content. And I know this stands true for MANY others out there. In fact, that's the main attraction of having satellite radio...without it all you've got is FM radio without commercials.

Frankly I can't find the words to express how upset I am about all this. And just the mere fact that some of you are even considering defending this absurd decision completely blows me away.
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Old 08-15-2005, 08:24 AM   #100
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Sirius used to advertise "Censorship Off, Music On" and I admit that listening to Alt Nation with garbled lyrics isn't cool.

The other thing, they do such a piss-pour job of bleeping lyrics, it makes it not worth it... and for crying out loud, we all know the words...

They better reverse this.
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For once I have to disagree with you DAB. The primary reason I and pratically everyone I know who has SIRIUS got it because of the uncensored music content. And I know this stands true for MANY others out there. In fact, that's the main attraction of having satellite radio...without it all you've got is FM radio without commercials.
That is cool Chad, I don't have a problem with folks disagreeing with me, but I think you are personalizing this so much that you think everyone feels like you do. In fact this morning here at the office I asked several people that I know that have sat radio, did you get it because you expected unedited music. Not a single one of them told me YES. The answers I got was for the huge variety and no commercials, good reception while traveling. Those are also the main attractions, not unedited channels, I am just not buying it. I understand folks are upset and I am not taking that away, my point is putting this is overall perspective. Now because a few more channels have edited music this means that Sirius is now nothing more than FM without commercials. I don't think so, I can't get the wide variety of genre's with live concerts, sports, entertainment and talk like I do from Sirius locally on FM.

Personally I'd prefer all channels to be unedited and I don't like this change either, but I am also a realist and understand that isn't going to happen because this is a business that has to appeal to everyone, not just my individual desires. Will they reconsider it, I doubt it, but for those that feel as strongly as you do, make sure you let them know how you feel. Write a letter, send email, call CS. I fully support every ones right to take Sirius to task on this matter if you they feel this is so important. In fact I encourage you to do so and not just complain about it here, let Sirius KNOW how you feel first hand.

The old slogan Censorship Off, Music On never applied to every channel.
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I'm in complete disagreement with this move by Sirius. I have sent them an e-mail. I really hope they reverse this decision. The music should be uncensored as the artists intended.
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On Saturday, i heard Van Halen's "Everybody Wants Some": Now, i am used to hearing the end of the song where David Lee, says; "I'll pay you for it, what the hell." I know that when it was played on Saturday i heard him say; "I'll pay you for it, what the fuck".

I really hope the censorship thing goes nowhere.
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well I just heard uncensored Eminem on Faction as well as Felt uncensored so I guess it hasn't started all the way. I'm still not sure why they would tell you to turn to Hip Hop Nation if you're complaining about a ROCK station. I'm really disgusted about this new censorship deal. Hot Jamz was a nice alternative to the 4 hip hop stations if nothing was on I like. I don't care about the rock stations except Faction. I believe all the stations cept the pop stations should be uncensored.
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This is bad news if the censorship goes through. I just renewed for another year.

The point is it does make a huge difference to older subscribers and it should make a difference to new subscribers.

Faction is not a channel that should be effed with. They would do better to shut down the channel then to censor it and that goes for the other channels as well.

The beauty of the sat systems is by far that it is uncensored and commercial free. Change that and you are messing with the heart of the product.

Now I would think that the owner of the channel should have something to say about it. Maybe Tony Hawke agreed to be censored, but I doubt it.

Now I have two kids as well, and I do not listen to Faction with them in the car, but I do listen to it on my long drives alone.

So I am a responsible parent.

I pay for that right, and frankly they should ask me if I want a refund based on my listening style if they choose to censor these channels.

Sirius, do not censor your channels, set up separate feeds if you must have clean feeds. You will drive music lovers to XM.
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