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Old 08-23-2005, 08:24 PM   #61
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"My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison isn't a Christian song.

It's a Hare Krishna song.
hi rm,

i always took it as a statement about tolerances of religions. to me, "my sweet lord" was a christian reference, while the second part was a krishna reference.

i guess songs can affect people differently, but this is how it affected me, or how i interpreted it.
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I can name many gospel singers whose songs have crossed over into hip hop and urban mainstream formats. Yolanda Adams, Donnie McClurkin, Kirk Franklin, and more have placed inspirational songs on the charts in other categories beside gospel/spiritual. I dont see anyone who enjoys hip hop or urabn r&b freaking out and saying Jesus is infiltrating the format. Relax, its just music, if its not the message you want to hear, dont act upon it- you still have your free will.
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AZJoe the fact is the guys want it both ways. They want to filter out anything with GOD or JESUS in them and yet you can sing any nasty word you want and they don't want you to touch that. So what if these artist bring a message in their music that leads them to salvation. If you don't believe it, then as Joe said you don't have to act on it. For those that are so moved it it well within their right to do so. By the way.. lets clear something up. These ARTIST don't SAVE anyone. They simple carry the message through music. ALL MUSIC has a message... But YOU folks won't be deciding which messages stay and which messages go, so these songs will continue to be played as cross-over hits like it or not. No way Sirius, XM and even FM isn't going to play these songs because of a few of you that don't like it. If it offends you so much your only choice is to cancel and get an IPOD, but don't mess up and cut your local FM station on cause you will probably here them there too.

Joe, how many R&B and Country Singers got their starts with Gospel music, some of them have even cut Gospel CD's. I can't even count them.

I don't ever hear alter calls on the Christian Channels, so I am not sure Sirius/XM or FM's playing of Christian music is meant to get anyone saved as much as it is just them trying to play what is popular and to please the most listeners. Most of these type channels are programmed based on request or Billboard's count down of the most popular songs. XM's 20 on 20 for example, I've heard many of these songs played on there and those are totally selected by XM subscribers.
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Old 08-23-2005, 10:58 PM   #64
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i always took it as a statement about tolerances of religions. to me, "my sweet lord" was a christian reference, while the second part was a krishna reference.

i guess songs can affect people differently, but this is how it affected me, or how i interpreted it.
Below are the lyrics to "My Sweet Lord". Please note that Mr. Harrison chants the names of various Hindu/Hare Krishna religious leaders. However, there is no mention whatsoever of Jesus Christ or religious tolerance.

It's obvious your interpretation of the song is nothing but your unsupported opinion, which has nothing to do with Mr. Harrison's intended meaning.


My Sweet Lord

(GEORGE HARRISON)

My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to see you
Really want to be with you
Really want to see you lord
But it takes so long, my lord

My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to know you
Really want to go with you
Really want to show you lord
That it won't take long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)

I really want to see you
Really want to see you
Really want to see you, lord
Really want to see you, lord
But it takes so long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My, my, my lord (hallelujah)

I really want to know you (hallelujah)
Really want to go with you (hallelujah)
Really want to show you lord (aaah)
That it won't take long, my lord (hallelujah)

Hmm (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)
My, my, lord (hallelujah)

Hm, my lord (hare krishna)
My, my, my lord (hare krishna)
Oh hm, my sweet lord (krishna, krishna)
Oh-uuh-uh (hare hare)

Now, I really want to see you (hare rama)
Really want to be with you (hare rama)
Really want to see you lord (aaah)
But it takes so long, my lord (hallelujah)

Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My, my, my lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (krishna krishna)
My lord (hare hare)
Hm, hm (Gurur Brahma)
Hm, hm (Gurur Vishnu)
Hm, hm (Gurur Devo)
Hm, hm (Maheshwara)
My sweet lord (Gurur Sakshaat)
My sweet lord (Parabrahma)
My, my, my lord (Tasmayi Shree)
My, my, my, my lord (Guruve Namah)
My sweet lord (Hare Rama)

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(hare krishna)
My sweet lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (krishna krishna)
My lord (hare hare)
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AZJoe the fact is the guys want it both ways. They want to filter out anything with GOD or JESUS in them and yet you can sing any nasty word you want and they don't want you to touch that.
Ain't it the truth!

Censorship is censorship is censorship.

If they don't like songs with a Christian message, they can move to another channel with one press of a button.

If they hear just one song with a pro-Christian message, they have a fit and demand it be censored. But you can bet they'd be the first to scream bloody murder about the evils of censorship, if a Christian suggested that any "Black" or "Death" metal song with anti-Christian lyrics be censored.

Anybody who disapproves of pro or anti-Christian lyrics can do their own censoring by pushing a button and changing channels.

Don't like it? Don't listen to it!
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rm,

thanks for the info, but your style of delivery leads a lot to be desired - and i will just leave it at that.
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thanks for the info, but your style of delivery leads a lot to be desired - and i will just leave it at that.
No offense intended, so don't go away mad.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not "Mr. Sensitive". I don't usually sugar-coat things when I talk to people.

But most of the people who know me well have come to respect that particular trait. They prefer straight-talk over fuzzy-wuzzy chatter.

If your comments are correct and verifiable, I will commend you. When you present merely an unsupportable opinion, expect to be zinged.

I'm also big enough to admit it when I'm wrong.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:21 AM   #68
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i don't mind you being direct, and perhaps you could not tell from my original post - but i was not positing an opinion, at least not as such that it was in a debate.

i simply was attempting to have a conversation with you, to tell you that this is how i had always interpreted it. not that it was my opinion that this was the correct interpretation.

that's all. i just do not want disagreements in one thread to spill over in another, or have some personal thing going on. i still disagree with you about the beatles, but i respect your opinion about them. and i was suspecting that that disagreement might be filtering over into this thread.

anyways, getting back to this thread.

i had never read the words, and sometimes the sung words are not always easy to understand.

but since he never mentioned anything about hare krisna until the second half of the song, i always thought the first half was about christianity (lord) and the second half about hare krishna. and that he was attempting to glorify both approaches, with an underlying meaning of religious tolerance.

and i suspect that my interpretation may not be all that uncommon, for people who have not read the actual words.

but i agree with you, after reading the words, that it does seem like it may be completely about hare krishna, providing you can answer yes to my next question - does hare krishna use the word "lord" as well ?

i tried to do some google searches on the song and the meaning, but could not come up with anything meaningful, other than something to do with delaney and bonnie, and that there was a lawsuit about the song "he's so fine".
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I actually find it cool that they will play that song by Mercyme on a mainstream station. If you are really a christian then you will apploud this as well, not put down sirius for playing the song on a mainstream station. I just can't belive that there is even a post on something like this
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hi rm,

okay, i did find that lord is definitely used in hare krishna. but i also found this site, with an interview with george. and i think that there very may well have been a purposeful tie-in between christianity(c) and hare krishna(hk) in george's song. possibly the word hallelujah along with lord was why it reminded me of c.

below is some interesting comments from george, pertaining to c and hk. the full text comes from the url -

http://www.krishna.org/Articles/2000/08/00066.html

"My Sweet Lord"

Mukunda: I don't think it's possible to calculate just how many people were turned on to Krishna consciousness by your song "My Sweet Lord." But you went through quite a personal thing before you decided to do that song. In your book you said, "I thought a lot about whether to do 'My Sweet Lord' or not because I would be committing myself publicly ... Many people fear the words Lord and God ... I was sticking my neck out on the chopping block ... but at the same time I thought 'Nobody's saying it ... why should I be untrue to myself?' I came to believe in the importance that if you feel something strong enough, then you should say it.

"I wanted to show that Hallelujah and Hare Krishna are quite the same thing. I did the voices singing 'Hallelujah' and then the change to 'Hare Krishna' so that people would be chanting the maha-mantra-before they knew what was going on! I had been chanting Hare Krishna for a long time, and this song was a simple idea of how to do a Western pop equivalent of a mantra which repeats over and over again the holy names. I don't feel guilty or bad about it; in fact it saved many a heroin addict's life."

Why did you feel you wanted to put Hare Krishna on the album at all? Wouldn't "Hallelujah" alone have been good enough?

George: Well, first of all "Hallelujah" is a joyous expression the Christians have, but "Hare Krishna" has a mystical side to it. It's more than just glorifying God; it's asking to become His servant. And because of the way the mantra is put together, with the mystic spiritual energy contained in those syllables, it's much closer to God than the way Christianity currently seems to be representing Him. Although Christ in my mind is an absolute yogi, I think many Christian teachers today are misrepresenting Christ. They're supposed to be representing Jesus, but they're not doing it very well. They're letting him down very badly, and that's a big turn off.

My idea in "My Sweet Lord," because it sounded like a "pop song," was to sneak up on them a bit. The point was to have the people not offended by "Hallelujah," and by the time it gets to "Hare Krishna," they're already hooked, and their foot's tapping, and they're already singing along "Hallelujah," to kind of lull them into a sense of false security. And then suddenly it turns into "Hare Krishna," and they will all be singing that before they know what's happened, and they will think, "Hey, I thought I wasn't supposed to like Hare Krishna!"

People write to me even now asking what style that was. Ten years later they're still trying to figure out what the words mean. It was just a little trick really. And it didn't offend. For some reason I never got any offensive feedback from Christians who said "We like it up to a point, but what's all this about Hare Krishna?"

Hallelujah may have originally been some mantric thing that got watered down, but I'm not sure what it really means. The Greek word for Christ is Kristos, which is, let's face it, Krishna, and Kristos is the same name actually.

Mukunda: What would you say is the difference between the Christian view of God, and Krishna as represented in the Bhagavad-gita?

George: When I first came to this house, it was occupied by nuns. I brought in this poster of Visnu [a four-armed form of Krishna]. You just see His head and shoulders and His four arms holding a conchshell and various other symbols, and it has a big om. This transcendental syllable, which represents Krishna, has been chanted by many persons throughout history for spiritual perfection.* written above it. He has a nice aura around Him. I left it by the fireplace and went out into the garden. When we came back in thc house, they all pounced on me, saying, "Who is that? What is it?" as if it were some pagan god. So I said, "Well, if God is unlimited, then He can appear in any form, whichever way He likes to appear. That's one way. He's called Visnu." It sort of freaked them out a bit, but the point is, why should God be limited? Even if you get Him as Krishna, He is not limited to that picture of Krishna. He can be the baby form, He can be Govinda and manifest in so many other well-known forms. You can see Krishna as a little boy, which is how I like to see Krishna. It's a joyful relationship. But there's this morbid side to the way many represent Christianity today, where you don't smile, because it's too serious, and you can't expect to see God--that kind of stuff. If there is God, we must see Him, and I don't believe in the idea you find in most churches, where they say, "No, you're not going to see Him. He's way up above you. Just believe what we tell you and shut up."

I mean, the knowledge that's given in Prabhupada's books--the Vedic stuff--that's the world's oldest scriptures. They say that man can become purified, and with divine vision he can see God. You get pure by chanting, then you see Him. And Sanskrit, the language they're written in, is the world's first recorded language. Devanagari [the alphabet of the Sanskrit language] actually means "language of the gods."

Mukunda: Anyone who is sincere about making spiritual advancement, whatever one's religion may be, can usually see the value of chanting. I mean if that person was really trying to be God conscious and trying to chant sincerely.

George: That's right. It's a matter of being open. Anyone who's open can do it. You just have to be open and not prejudiced. You just have to try it. There's no loss, you know. But the "intellectuals" will always have problems, because they always need to "know." They're often the most spiritually bankrupt people, because they never let go; they don't understand the meaning of "to transcend" the intellect. But an ordinary person's more willing to say, "Okay. Let me try it and see if it works." Chanting Hare Krishna can make a person a better Christian, too.
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okay, i did find that lord is definitely used in hare krishna. but i also found this site, with an interview with george. and i think that there very may well have been a purposeful tie-in between christianity(c) and hare krishna(hk) in george's song. possibly the word hallelujah along with lord was why it reminded me of c.

below is some interesting comments from george, pertaining to c and hk. the full text comes from the url -
Your post only proves that you have weak reading comprehension.

Harrison essentially admits that the song was intended to "sneak" Hare Krishna drivel over on Christians, i.e. to "trick" them. Simply put, it was Hare Krishna propaganda.

From your own source:

"George: Well, first of all "Hallelujah" is a joyous expression the Christians have, but "Hare Krishna" has a mystical side to it. It's more than just glorifying God; it's asking to become His servant. And because of the way the mantra is put together, with the mystic spiritual energy contained in those syllables, it's much closer to God than the way Christianity currently seems to be representing Him. Although Christ in my mind is an absolute yogi, I think many Christian teachers today are misrepresenting Christ. They're supposed to be representing Jesus, but they're not doing it very well. They're letting him down very badly, and that's a big turn off.

My idea in "My Sweet Lord," because it sounded like a "pop song," was to sneak up on them a bit. The point was to have the people not offended by "Hallelujah," and by the time it gets to "Hare Krishna," they're already hooked, and their foot's tapping, and they're already singing along "Hallelujah," to kind of lull them into a sense of false security. And then suddenly it turns into "Hare Krishna," and they will all be singing that before they know what's happened, and they will think, "Hey, I thought I wasn't supposed to like Hare Krishna!"

People write to me even now asking what style that was. Ten years later they're still trying to figure out what the words mean. It was just a little trick really."
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okay. i am ending my conversations with you, and take my weak reading comprehension with me.
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but since he never mentioned anything ai tried to do some google searches on the song and the meaning, but could not come up with anything meaningful, other than something to do with delaney and bonnie, and that there was a lawsuit about the song "he's so fine".
The lawsuit is old news. Harrison lost by the way. The court found that Harrison had plagiarized the tune to "He's So Fine" by the Chiffons, which he used for "My Sweet Lord".
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okay. i am ending my conversations with you, and take my weak reading comprehension with me.
I already said not to go away mad.

Millions of Americans have weak reading comprehension. So it's not a personal insult or anything.

Lighten up.
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okay. you would serve yourself better by debating without putting in personal jabs. i can be sarcastic with the best of them, when i choose to be. but to do so as a normal way of debating shows a lack of concreteness in one's argument.

you seem to think that you are the world's authority on the song "my sweet lord". as if you knew what was in george's head at the time.

i read and understood the first time that he said that it was a way to basically introduce hk to christians without it pissing them off, like he was being anti-christian.

did you ever stop to think that "attempting to get christians to be open-minded about hk" and "promoting tolerance and acceptance of the 2 mindsets" are not mutually exclusive ?

i don't claim to know what was in george's head at the time. if george was alive today, he may not even know what all he was thinking at the time.

but typically when a person does soul searching, etc. - peace and acceptance with other human beings can often go hand in hand.

when we are reading a physics book, there is an exact intended meaning. it may be hard to grasp, because of the content.

but a song or poetry, usually depicts emotional thought patterns. you can't read it like a science book.

i don't know for sure, but i suspect that george, being raised in a christian environment, was attempting to make connections with people from both religious mindsets for a better acceptance of one another.

i think you may be being a bit brash to think that you are able to interpret his mindset about that song, with 100% surety. i am perfectly content knowing that i will never know for sure what his mindset was.
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