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Old 08-27-2005, 01:41 AM   #46
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http://www.passagesmusic.com/forthosetears.htm

here is a much better version of it - although it is only 34 second clip.
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Old 08-27-2005, 02:55 AM   #47
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but i have a similar complaint to yours regarding cable television. and it would also apply to sirius. and that is that each channel should have a price tag on it. then we could each pick and choose the channels that we want to listen to and support. the price of each channel would depend on the number of listeners who wanted it, and the cost to sirius to broadcast it. the revenue stream could be kept equal. we would then see which channels were truly desired by people's willingness to pay for them.
I'm not sure this would make sense for Sirius as the subscription cost is low enough that I get the value out of it for only the 1/6 or so of channels I listen to with any regularity. But on TV? Wow, do I ever wish they would price TV like this. I've often wondered why they don't. If they could do this instead of expensive theme packs and such, I might actually be able to get the variety I want at a price I'm willing to pay. For now I am in the minority, and donot subscribe to any tv (cable, satellite, digital, or otherwise).
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:16 AM   #48
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but i have a similar complaint to yours regarding cable television. and it would also apply to sirius. and that is that each channel should have a price tag on it. then we could each pick and choose the channels that we want to listen to and support. the price of each channel would depend on the number of listeners who wanted it, and the cost to sirius to broadcast it. the revenue stream could be kept equal. we would then see which channels were truly desired by people's willingness to pay for them.
I'm not sure this would make sense for Sirius as the subscription cost is low enough that I get the value out of it for only the 1/6 or so of channels I listen to with any regularity. But on TV? Wow, do I ever wish they would price TV like this. I've often wondered why they don't. If they could do this instead of expensive theme packs and such, I might actually be able to get the variety I want at a price I'm willing to pay. For now I am in the minority, and donot subscribe to any tv (cable, satellite, digital, or otherwise).
This is possible with cable... some TVs have a lot for what's called a CableCard which allows providers to individually enable or disable channels. It's possible with DirecTV and Dish in a similar manner, but not as possible with simple digital cable. They don't do it so they can milk you for as much money as they can.

I don't mind paying $13/month for Sirius and getting a bunch of channels I can't listen to becuase it's still a new industry and the cost:value ratio is still extremely high. It might also take significant bandwidth to execute a plan like this, reducing the number of avaliable channels.

Besides, with the trouble we know Sirius has with billing, do we really want to complicate things anymore than they are?
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:45 AM   #49
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"Christian/Gospel Music -- On the Cusp of a $1 Billion Industry

The Christian/Gospel music sector is one of the fastest growing in the music industry. According to Nielsen SoundScan, Christian/Gospel music is the sixth most popular music category in overall music sales, with 43.4 million units sold in 2004. The Recording Industry Association of America reports that Christian/Gospel music is nearly a $1 billion dollar industry, outselling Latin, Jazz and Classical music combined (Nielsen SoundScan data)."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050628/nytu164.html?.v=12
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Thats interesting to know fallstorm, I didn't know anything about the cablecards. I assume that's something your provider has to support?
I agree, with the cost:value ratio for Sirius, some kind of channel choices and billing wouldn't make sense. You do not have to listen to nearly all the channels on Sirius to get the value out of it. NOw if Sirius was $80/month like a full cable/sat tv package, I'd wonder if they couldn't implement something like this. But at $12/month, they really couldn't do it any cheaper any other way, even for a handful of channels, they probably couldn't make a go of it for much less.
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Old 08-27-2005, 04:48 AM   #51
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Thats interesting to know fallstorm, I didn't know anything about the cablecards. I assume that's something your provider has to support?
Yeah, the cable company has to support it and you either have to have a TV with the CableCard slot or you have to buy or rent a cable box with the slot. My cable company only has it available in some places and I found out they charge a pretty penny for the privlidge. There was a $8 recurring monthly charge plus $15/month to rent the equipment. You had to accept a base package but could then pick and choose channels. I wasn't able to find out how much each channel cost because it's not available in my area.

Hmm, looks like this thread got hijacked nicely, but there isn't a whole lot more to say about the original subject anyway :P
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Old 08-27-2005, 12:12 PM   #52
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"Christian/Gospel Music -- On the Cusp of a $1 Billion Industry

The Christian/Gospel music sector is one of the fastest growing in the music industry. According to Nielsen SoundScan, Christian/Gospel music is the sixth most popular music category in overall music sales, with 43.4 million units sold in 2004. The Recording Industry Association of America reports that Christian/Gospel music is nearly a $1 billion dollar industry, outselling Latin, Jazz and Classical music combined (Nielsen SoundScan data)."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050628/nytu164.html?.v=12
Good stats Renaissance Man...And we all know dance/electronic is not near that big.
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Old 08-27-2005, 01:06 PM   #53
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Anyway so Sirius is now equal to XM in the Christian department...at the expense of what, the entire dance music community? This is a disgrace and a joke.
Dude, I'm a Dance NUT with the best of them (check out my post history), but get a clue. Christian music and Christian Rock is FAR FAR FAR more popular than Dance. The sales of Christian music are measured in the BILLIONS in this country.
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Old 08-27-2005, 01:09 PM   #54
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I'm willing to bet this new Revolution channel is about as popular as Radio Korea.
I'm willing to bet my entire career and medical practice that a Christian Rock channel will be far more popular and bring in far more subscriptions than 24/7 Dance Sets.

Do some people in this thread not realize how many Christians there are in this country?
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Old 08-27-2005, 01:13 PM   #55
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Six is way too many by my count. We're going to lose Remix, Wax, Slow Jamz, Swing Street, and Folktown to make room for channels like this. I'm sorry, but I have a huge problem with that....and I'm not the only one.

Believe me, I've listened to my fair share of Christian rock music (not by choice) and it was absolutely unbearable. I live in the bible belt and know plenty of devout Christians that cannot stand it either. Sure it has a message, but the music itself is horrible. I just don't understand the reasoning behind SIRIUS dumping perfectly good channels for this crap.
The fact you obviously don't like Christian music and can't understand why people would listen to it in NO WAY validates that it won't be extremely popular and a very shrewd business move by Sirius, and in fact means you shouldn't even be posting on here in the first place. When Sirius removed The Vortex (Trance) a while back for more Hip-Hop, a lot of us complained, but we didn't go into the Hip-Hop threads and say how horrible Hip-Hop was and how we couldn't understand why anyone would listen to it.

Some people seem to REALLY have a problem with Religion, even in the form of it being practiced by OTHERS. And it is evidenced from this thread. There are loads of channels I don't agree with and would never listen to on Sirius, it's the nature of the beast. It's not like you are supporting George Bush now or something just because there are going to be more Christian listeners on Sirius, and Christian channels that NO ONE is saying you should listen to.

I mean, why should Sirius be taking advice from people who, if they were at the wheel of programming, would eliminate ALL religious programming and completely ignore a base of the US measured in the hundreds of MILLIONS.... from the sound of it. All in the guise of "that music sucks" and "I'm not a Christian."
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Old 08-27-2005, 01:26 PM   #57
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But if I choose to I have the right to not be bombarded with people who say I will go to some horrible place when I die simply because of my own belief.
No you don't. Get real. No one has the right from people telling you things that they believe, and you don't. And since you don't believe it why are you even worried about it. If you really can't stand people telling you about the Bible or whatever and are so offended by people telling you things you apparently don't even believe in the first place (so there shouldn't even be a problem), you can easily remediate it completely by 1) Move to a liberal/left area of the country (there are plenty), and 2) Never go to church or a religious service, and 3) Never ever turn to the Christian programming on the radio or television. I gaurantee if you follow that you will absolutely seclude yourself from any evangelism. I live in Chicago, don't go to church, and don't listen to religious programming and I can't even remember the last time I heard about the Bible, Christ or any of that. It's literally been years. But I hear about other stuff I don't believe all the time but who cares, I don't believe it--there are people all over that disagree with me and I with them, that's life.
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Old 08-27-2005, 01:29 PM   #58
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I'm willing to bet this new Revolution channel is about as popular as Radio Korea.
I'm willing to be my entire career and medical practice that a Christian Rock channel will be far more popular and bring in far more subscriptions than 24/7 Dance Sets.
Actually Siruis is betting as well.. They're betting market share and stockholder confidence and perhaps their future as broadcasters.

Politics aside.. I have no doubt Sirius consults TEAMS of analysts who study things very closely before they make even the smallest change in their programing lineup. Sirius is a multi-million dollar business.. Nothing is done on a whim.

If adding two Hindu channels would guarantee two million extra listeners, then Sirius would HAVE two hindu channels..
No question about it...

It's not politics.. It's money.....
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If I were at the wheel, there would be 15 Dance channels, no Hip-Hop channels, no Talk, etc., but I see and admit my own biases. Christian music is huge, period, and regardless of how much religious programming some people think is "too much" the reality is that it was probably underserved by Sirius's previous lineup. They have their finger on the pulse and we quite frankly don't.
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I'm willing to bet this new Revolution channel is about as popular as Radio Korea.
I'm willing to bet my entire career and medical practice that a Christian Rock channel will be far more popular and bring in far more subscriptions than 24/7 Dance Sets.

Do some people in this thread not realize how many Christians there are in this country?
And I gaurantee you 90% of those Christians (me included) don't give two sh*ts about Christian rock.
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