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Old 08-27-2005, 04:54 PM   #61
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What a bunch of hypocrites that are against censorship but yet are first to censor any programming that targets a Christian audience. It just goes to show that diversity and tolernace are one way street with some.

I'm all for this move, and will tune in. Spirit is currently one of my favorite channels, and without it I wouldn't have Sirius, but XM instead. Sure I listen to many other channels, but Spirit is an anchor channel that is required to keep me a subscriber.

For those that argue that it's on FM, you don't need it on satellite radio, ignore one of the most compelling reasons that people buy Satellite radio - to get the same content no matter where they drive. People that don't get this point obviously never drive outside of their local FM transmitter. I live in a major population center, and can't get any reliable Christian content. Even though it's there, it fades in and out, especially for FM music. When I drive through Nevada, oregon, washington, arizona etc, it's always there for me to tune in. Vacations are never spent searching for a channel.

Satellite radio will mirror what's populare in the country. This is a business to make money, and if there is money in having a Jewish channel there will be. As of now, I don't think any other religious market can match the market of the Christian music and talk in this country. Just go to Amazon and click on the Christian music category and see how many artists are have music for sale. It is a well established market with highly talented people and groups. You don't have to be an athiest or have a negative message to have talent


Good move Sirius, I look forward to listening
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What a bunch of hypocrites that are against censorship but yet are first to censor any programming that targets a Christian audience. It just goes to show that diversity and tolernace are one way street with some.

I'm all for this move, and will tune in. Spirit is currently one of my favorite channels, and without it I wouldn't have Sirius, but XM instead. Sure I listen to many other channels, but Spirit is an anchor channel that is required to keep me a subscriber.

For those that argue that it's on FM, you don't need it on satellite radio, ignore one of the most compelling reasons that people buy Satellite radio - to get the same content no matter where they drive. People that don't get this point obviously never drive outside of their local FM transmitter. I live in a major population center, and can't get any reliable Christian content. Even though it's there, it fades in and out, especially for FM music. When I drive through Nevada, oregon, washington, arizona etc, it's always there for me to tune in. Vacations are never spent searching for a channel.

Satellite radio will mirror what's populare in the country. This is a business to make money, and if there is money in having a Jewish channel there will be. As of now, I don't think any other religious market can match the market of the Christian music and talk in this country. Just go to Amazon and click on the Christian music category and see how many artists are have music for sale. It is a well established market with highly talented people and groups. You don't have to be an athiest or have a negative message to have talent


Good move Sirius, I look forward to listening

Very good point, Manco. That is one of the reaons people like Satellite radio. It never goes out. Now I get to hear my Christian Rock wherever I go.
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Old 08-27-2005, 10:14 PM   #63
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With Christian and gospel music being a billion dollar a year industry it deserves to be on sirius. I am sure there are more listeners that like the music then would rather not have christians programming on sirius. So I say lay off on saying CHRISTIAN PROGRAMMING DOESN'T BELONG ON SIRIUS tat is just plane BULL if you ask me. Yes a more diverse religion prgramming can be on sirius I agree on that but we get what is given to us.
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No offense but I don't want to be paying for a Christian channel....
Hey. here's an idea. We could all take turns eliminating a channel we dont listen to and dont want to pay for. You eliminate a Christian channel, someone from Los Angeles can eliminate the Bluegrass channel, someone from Kentucky can eliminate a dance channel, someone from Michigan can eliminate a country channel, someone from Tennessee can eliminate a Hip-Hop channel, and so on. Then we would go to round two eliminating channels........until there were none left. Then we'd all be sad.

Or.....here's a novel idea.....each of us could listen to whatever channels we liked and not turn the dial to a station we didnt like. That way we'd all be happy. Except those that gripe and complain no matter what. (Oh wait a minute, that's happening right now.)
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Heres some reasoning Sirius is smarter than you. Dude Christian Rock is one of the fastest growing genres out there. Project 86, P.O.D.,Relient K, Switchfoot, Thousand Foot Krutch, Demon Hunter, blindside. I mean come on if "this is crap" why have these bands sold millions of albums? If you dont like the message fine. But if you think theres no one out there who likes Christian Rock, you are an idiot. You hear every single one of the bands I mentioned on secular radio. Wow its amazing they put so much unbearable music on secular radio!

Now theres a place where they will be played in the same place along with other bands who havent had mainstream success yet. There is a HUGE Christian Rock fan base. This was a great move by Sirius. Dont be foolish. I mean dude XM has a Christian Rock station. Dont you think that Sirius did its homework to see if XM's station is listened to a lot? If it isnt why in the world would Sirius bring this channel? They wouldnt. But the truth is XM's the Torch is very popular and thats why Sirius is bringing Revolution.
What are you, the official spokesman for Christian rock music? I'm glad you're getting a channel you want...but is it really necessary to keep continually bragging about it in countless forums? Essentially, all you're doing is rubbing it in the faces of those who are upset about their channels being removed....and that's not very Christian-like now is it??

Everyone is really misinterpreting what those of us who are opposed to this are saying. When I said I wish SIRIUS would not carry religious programming at all, I bloody well meant it. But, I also have the common sense to realize SIRIUS isn't based solely on my tastes alone. Having satellite radio means having different varieties of musical genres and programming for different people....and I'm all for that.

I don't have anything against Christianity or religion in general. And I could really care less if SIRIUS does or doesn't carry this channel. But, the fact that they now have SIX channels solely dedicated to Christianity while we continue to lose good channels really pisses me off. Cut it down to about two and keep those soon to be deleted channels, and you won't be hearing complaints like this.

In all honesty, I just don't see the overly religious Christian community being a very big demographic of satellite radio in the first place. Not that I'm accusing anyone here, but there's a lot of sanctimonious prudes out there that will have nothing to do whatsoever with anything that's associated with Howard Stern, OutQ, Raw Dog, or the like. You know the type I'm referring to... born-again religious wackos that sinned so much early in life that there was nothing left to sin, then they become holier than thou, and like to pick and choose what part of their religion and the bible to enforce - whenever it's convenient for them. And those are the same types that call in and complain about the profanity on the music channels. It honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's why channels like Alt Nation are being censored.
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"Christian/Gospel Music -- On the Cusp of a $1 Billion Industry

The Christian/Gospel music sector is one of the fastest growing in the music industry. According to Nielsen SoundScan, Christian/Gospel music is the sixth most popular music category in overall music sales, with 43.4 million units sold in 2004. The Recording Industry Association of America reports that Christian/Gospel music is nearly a $1 billion dollar industry, outselling Latin, Jazz and Classical music combined (Nielsen SoundScan data)."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050628/nytu164.html?.v=12
Good stats Renaissance Man...And we all know dance/electronic is not near that big.
You can add New Age to the above list.

So in 2004, Christian/Gospel music outsold Latin, Jazz, Classical and New Age music COMBINED.

That's pretty strong, especially considering that there are over forty million Latinos in this country, and most of the ones I know buy a lot of music.
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No offense but I don't want to be paying for a Christian channel....
If you currently subscribe to Sirius, you're already paying for several.

You can always switch to XM, where you'll be paying for James Dobson, Hank Hanegraaf, Charles Stanley etc. on their Christian talk channel.
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Old 08-28-2005, 06:24 AM   #68
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I don't have anything against Christianity or religion in general. And I could really care less if SIRIUS does or doesn't carry this channel. But, the fact that they now have SIX channels solely dedicated to Christianity while we continue to lose good channels really pisses me off. Cut it down to about two and keep those soon to be deleted channels, and you won't be hearing complaints like this.
I personally didn't think Remix or Wax were very good channels. Good is in the eye of the beholder.

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In all honesty, I just don't see the overly religious Christian community being a very big demographic of satellite radio in the first place. Not that I'm accusing anyone here, but there's a lot of sanctimonious prudes out there that will have nothing to do whatsoever with anything that's associated with Howard Stern, OutQ, Raw Dog, or the like. You know the type I'm referring to... born-again religious wackos that sinned so much early in life that there was nothing left to sin, then they become holier than thou, and like to pick and choose what part of their religion and the bible to enforce - whenever it's convenient for them. And those are the same types that call in and complain about the profanity on the music channels. It honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's why channels like Alt Nation are being censored.
You're perpetuating a stereotype of Christians. We're not all evangelistic "Repent right this second or you're going to hell!" types. That's really a rare segment of believers that are very vocal. They annoy me too. Many, dare I say most, Christians just aren't this way. Some feel that their faith is a private manner and don't preach 24/7. They'd be more than willing to discuss their faith if asked, but don't thump their Bibles on the streetcorner. There are even many Christians who practice "alternative" sexual practices who would probably find some support and entertainment on OutQ. I personally rarely miss Derek and Romaine, even as a heterosexual Christian.

If conservative believers of most faiths want to have any entertainment value, they must consume media which they may, at times, find offensive. There was an amusing quirk in the New York Times about some priests who plan to sneak down to Manhattan to see Spamalot. The key is enjoying media for what it is. Many Christians can do this. Some can't.

And, as far as I know, the reason channels are being censored isn't because of some big outcry, but because Sprint threw some money at Sirius for "family-friendly" channels. I don't see a huge Christian base in the administration at Sprint pushing for this; I see capitalism at work.

Please, don't paint all Christians with the same brush. We're really more like everyone else than people think.
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You're perpetuating a stereotype of Christians. We're not all evangelistic "Repent right this second or you're going to hell!" types. That's really a rare segment of believers that are very vocal. They annoy me too.
Right, but that will be the brand of Christianity that in all likelihood will featured on Sirius - especially on the Christian talk station. Judging from the current Sirius changes, they are trying to mimic FM (Christian rock and a Jack-FM station!!). Listen to any AM or FM Christian shows, and tell me how many represent non-evangelical, non- fundamentalist Christianity. Hint: there will be none.
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The way I see it, this is what will happen as a result of the latest deletion of popular music channels and adding a christian rock station. The fans of the deleted channelsare extremely annoyed and rightfully so. Bible thumpers and quieter christians are ecstatic that the word of God will be heard more often on the sat radio service of their choice. Hopeflly some evangeicals will sign up as a result.
But none of the above (except for the guy who sent the email to Sirius to request it) wll be listening to the Revolution. Because christian rock is an oxymoron and the worst music in the solar system
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The way I see it, this is what will happen as a result of the latest deletion of popular music channels and adding a christian rock station. The fans of the deleted channelsare extremely annoyed and rightfully so. Bible thumpers and quieter christians are ecstatic that the word of God will be heard more often on the sat radio service of their choice. Hopeflly some evangeicals will sign up as a result.
But none of the above (except for the guy who sent the email to Sirius to request it) wll be listening to the Revolution. Because christian rock is an oxymoron and the worst music in the solar system
That's your opinion. I like Jars of Clay and some other Christian Rock bands. I am glad that Sirius gives us over 120 channels to choose from.
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Right, but that will be the brand of Christianity that in all likelihood will featured on Sirius - especially on the Christian talk station. Judging from the current Sirius changes, they are trying to mimic FM (Christian rock and a Jack-FM station!!). Listen to any AM or FM Christian shows, and tell me how many represent non-evangelical, non- fundamentalist Christianity. Hint: there will be none.
If you're not going to listen to it, why are you so concerned with the specifics of the programming on the Christian channels? How many promos for Spirit do you hear on other channels? When has a Spirit DJ strongarmed the Shade 45 staff to take over the channel "for the Christian good"?

I do regularly listen to AM and FM Christian-based stations (well, the two I can kind of get in my city). There's an extremely wide-range of views, even more so than on Sirius Left and Sirius Right. Sure, there are shows about witnessing and evangelical Christianity. There are also shows about family life and simply living.
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but i have a similar complaint to yours regarding cable television. and it would also apply to sirius. and that is that each channel should have a price tag on it. then we could each pick and choose the channels that we want to listen to and support. the price of each channel would depend on the number of listeners who wanted it, and the cost to sirius to broadcast it. the revenue stream could be kept equal. we would then see which channels were truly desired by people's willingness to pay for them.
I'm not sure this would make sense for Sirius as the subscription cost is low enough that I get the value out of it for only the 1/6 or so of channels I listen to with any regularity. But on TV? Wow, do I ever wish they would price TV like this. I've often wondered why they don't. If they could do this instead of expensive theme packs and such, I might actually be able to get the variety I want at a price I'm willing to pay. For now I am in the minority, and donot subscribe to any tv (cable, satellite, digital, or otherwise).
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my goal was not necessarily to make it cheaper for the individual. remember that i said it would be revenue-equal. some would end up paying more, others paying less.

it is more about people paying for what they want, and thus forcing the marketplace to dictate what channels are being played on sirius, or cable.

that way, those who listened to the channel, would then pay for the channel. the cost of each channel would be based upon a formula like the following ( (cost to sirius * 1.10) / number of subscribers). this assumes a 10% profit over their cost.

i would also throw in some sort of discount theme for subscribers as they subscribed for more channels.

the cost of the channel would rise/fall depending on the number of subscribers. we would then see which channels could support themselves, and which ones could not. we would then have no need for threads like these, where everyone is griping about not wanting this channel or that channel. subscribers would communicate with sirius with their pocketbook, and sirius would have no choice but to follow said pocketbooks.
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that way, those who listened to the channel, would then pay for the channel. the cost of each channel would be based upon a formula like the following ( (cost to sirius * 1.10) / number of subscribers). this assumes a 10% profit over their cost.
Based on their losses last year I think I would be paying an extra $150/ quarter or something like that by your calculations!

I can assure you I'd never be willing to pay for Howard at that rate either.
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It's disgusting that urban music stations get cut with other genre grows.
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