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Old 08-29-2005, 10:21 AM   #76
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I agree, let's not censor Christian radio from Sirius. If they decide to censor Christian programming, then in all fairness, they should also drop Howard Stern and the gay channel.
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:42 AM   #77
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that way, those who listened to the channel, would then pay for the channel. the cost of each channel would be based upon a formula like the following ( (cost to sirius * 1.10) / number of subscribers). this assumes a 10% profit over their cost.
Based on their losses last year I think I would be paying an extra $150/ quarter or something like that by your calculations!

I can assure you I'd never be willing to pay for Howard at that rate either.
lol dan,

i have always suspected that many channels, such as this new touted stern channel, nfl football - may not be able to support themselves.

they may bring in lots of viewers, but their cost is monumental, when compared to simply playing music.

but perhaps their are enough viewers who would be willing to pay higher prices for these channels. and that would be fine. maybe there would even be so many viewers, that the price might not be higher. and that would be fine.

but those who listen are those who are willing to pay.
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Heres some reasoning Sirius is smarter than you. Dude Christian Rock is one of the fastest growing genres out there. Project 86, P.O.D.,Relient K, Switchfoot, Thousand Foot Krutch, Demon Hunter, blindside. I mean come on if "this is crap" why have these bands sold millions of albums? If you dont like the message fine. But if you think theres no one out there who likes Christian Rock, you are an idiot. You hear every single one of the bands I mentioned on secular radio. Wow its amazing they put so much unbearable music on secular radio!

Now theres a place where they will be played in the same place along with other bands who havent had mainstream success yet. There is a HUGE Christian Rock fan base. This was a great move by Sirius. Dont be foolish. I mean dude XM has a Christian Rock station. Dont you think that Sirius did its homework to see if XM's station is listened to a lot? If it isnt why in the world would Sirius bring this channel? They wouldnt. But the truth is XM's the Torch is very popular and thats why Sirius is bringing Revolution.
What are you, the official spokesman for Christian rock music? I'm glad you're getting a channel you want...but is it really necessary to keep continually bragging about it in countless forums? Essentially, all you're doing is rubbing it in the faces of those who are upset about their channels being removed....and that's not very Christian-like now is it??
Chad, dude Im excited about Revolution. Im sorry I offended you by expressing it on two different forums. I didnt realize if I said I was happy on two differnent forums it would offend you. I never meant to hurt you.
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hi gmc,

my goal was not necessarily to make it cheaper for the individual. remember that i said it would be revenue-equal. some would end up paying more, others paying less.

it is more about people paying for what they want, and thus forcing the marketplace to dictate what channels are being played on sirius, or cable.

that way, those who listened to the channel, would then pay for the channel. the cost of each channel would be based upon a formula like the following ( (cost to sirius * 1.10) / number of subscribers). this assumes a 10% profit over their cost.

i would also throw in some sort of discount theme for subscribers as they subscribed for more channels.

the cost of the channel would rise/fall depending on the number of subscribers. we would then see which channels could support themselves, and which ones could not. we would then have no need for threads like these, where everyone is griping about not wanting this channel or that channel. subscribers would communicate with sirius with their pocketbook, and sirius would have no choice but to follow said pocketbooks.
Thanks for clarifying Gym, I understand better the pricing model you've proposed now. Really interesting idea, one that could allow more marginal channels with less subscribers to be just as viable by charging more per subscriber. In effect your pricing model discovers the exact value each channel has to the subscriber audience. Just throwing out a bunch more questions for discussion, as this model has got me thinking economics now (even though I'm pretty rusty at the subject). Not to completely hijack this thread, I'll post the rest in a new thread in the doghouse.
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Where is my Amish knee slap jug music!? Dorn it!
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:59 AM   #81
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I would like a Druid/Elf/Pagan "we worship trees" channel, or a Satanistic music channel. It's only fair I mean do you how many Druid/Elf/Pagan/Satanists there are in this country ?
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Old 08-30-2005, 02:25 PM   #82
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No Jewish Channel?
No Islam Channel?
No Buddhist Channel?
No Hindu Channel?
No Taoist Channel?

Don't get me wrong - I am all for religion and spirituality, but I think that Sirius is being a little single-minded in promoting only Christianity so much while leaving other religions in the dark. I mean they have a category called "Religion" but the only stuff on there is Chrisitian.

Personally, I think religion is intensely personal and, as such, should be left off of Sirius entirely. They give equal footing (almost) in political talk to both liberals and conservatives... can you imagine if they had the category "Political Talk" but the only channels available were conservative? Or conversely, only liberal? How many subs would they lose if they made a move like that?

I know, I know... if I don't like it, I don't have to listen, right? It just kind of bothers me that part of my subscription fee is going to such blatant, single-minded promotion of a particular religion. I believe that Sirius is (or should be) an entertainment commodity, and should leave religion to people to practice in their homes, churches, synagogues, forests... whatever.

By the way, I'm a practicing Catholic, before anyone out there accuses me of being anti-religion. And no, you don't need to remind me of all the problems of the Cathoic church... well aware here.

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No Jewish Channel?
No Islam Channel?
No Buddhist Channel?
No Hindu Channel?
No Taoist Channel?

Don't get me wrong - I am all for religion and spirituality, but I think that Sirius is being a little single-minded in promoting only Christianity so much while leaving other religions in the dark. I mean they have a category called "Religion" but the only stuff on there is Chrisitian.

Personally, I think religion is intensely personal and, as such, should be left off of Sirius entirely. They give equal footing (almost) in political talk to both liberals and conservatives... can you imagine if they had the category "Political Talk" but the only channels available were conservative? Or conversely, only liberal? How many subs would they lose if they made a move like that?

I know, I know... if I don't like it, I don't have to listen, right? It just kind of bothers me that part of my subscription fee is going to such blatant, single-minded promotion of a particular religion. I believe that Sirius is (or should be) an entertainment commodity, and should leave religion to people to practice in their homes, churches, synagogues, forests... whatever.

By the way, I'm a practicing Catholic, before anyone out there accuses me of being anti-religion. And no, you don't need to remind me of all the problems of the Cathoic church... well aware here.

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Once again a person fails to see why Sirius did this. There are a lot of Christians in this country. They are a huge bloc. In fact they are so big, they are the reason Bush is President. Sirius is trying to market to the Christian community, which is very very big. There is not a big Islam community nor Hindu or any of the other ones you mentioned. This is not the middle east or Asia. Its the U.S., where there are a whole lot of Christians. Sirius is simply marketing their service towards them. They arent cutting out all other religions. They are trying to make money. And they have figured out that Christian music is a billion dollar industry. I can guarentee that every other religion you mentioned but together does not have a billion dollar music industry. Come on, this is obviously a great move by Sirius. Im sure they did their homework and found out they were losing the Christian community to XM. Now that will stop. They have matched XMs Christian rock station and Christian talk station. Now Christians will take a long hard look at Sirius when picking their Satellite Radio service. And I bet that more will come to Sirius than XM simply because XM had Sirius beat on basically one thing...Christian programming. Now that is a tie between the two. The Christian community will therefore pick Sirius because its frankly better in nearly every other category.
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Old 08-30-2005, 03:40 PM   #84
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The Christian community will therefore pick Sirius because its frankly better in nearly every other category.
That's OK, I'm only afraid that soon after that the Christian community will say that all other channels should be censored, and more Christian bands should be played on all of them. It's hard to stop God once he gains momentum
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The Christian community will therefore pick Sirius because its frankly better in nearly every other category.
That's OK, I'm only afraid that soon after that the Christian community will say that all other channels should be censored, and more Christian bands should be played on all of them. It's hard to stop God once he gains momentum
Agreed, Mr. Dent, agreed.

The thing that creeps me out about the fundamentalist Christian movement in this country is that they act like, because they're such an empire in this country, everything should be modeled to appeal to them and nothing else matters. I get so tired of hearing the argument "There are a lot of Christians in this country", and that's sufficient reason to bend over backwards to make them happy.

That's the whole reason the current idiot is in the white house - the one thing he (or whoever makes the decisions for him - presumably Karl Rove) understood is that, as long as he appeals to the "moral values" of the fundamentalist Christian Empire, nothing else, including a misguided, badly planned, rush-to-war without substantial evidence, would matter.

Believe me, I understand the previous poster's point that Sirius is out to make money... I work for the biggest consumer products company in the world so I understand a few things about marketing. But you don't see companies turning out "Corpus Christi Shampoo" or "Cleanse Your Feet Like Jesus Soap" to turn a buck - and I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would plunk down their hard-earned money for such items, as ridiculous as they sound. My own brother-in-law, a fundamentalist Christian who truly believes that the Lord speaks directly to him, was trying to sell my wife, a registered dietitian, on the benefits of the "Hallelujah Diet," where you supposedly eat like Jesus ate for better health. I wish I were making this stuff up, but there's a cookbook out there called "What Would Jesus Eat?" Look it up for yourself on Amazon if you don't believe me.

Anyway, I'm done with this discussion... I don't want to get into a religious and political debate with people who have already made up their minds (and I'm one of em). All I wanted to do was put in my two cents that I believe entertainment commodities like satellite radio (XM *and* Sirius), as well as cable TV, should be free of religious agendas, but I guess that's wishful thinking when there's an empire out there with expendable income and countless dollars to be made. It's too bad XM and sirius couldn't compete just based on the quality of their (non-denominational) music and entertainment channels.
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RyeGuy, you are being a little ridiculous. You think tv and radio should be free from religion? Well I think tv and radio should be free from country music cause I hate it. But you know what thats called? Thats called censorship. You believe in the Constitution? Sirius is going to put on whatever gains the most subs. If that means a few Christian channels, then thats what Sirius will do. There will only be like 5 channels that are Christian out of 120. If you dont want to hear it then dont listen. Just like I dont want to hear Country music so I dont listen. But there is a huge demand for country music as there is a huge demand for Christian programming. So I wouldnt want Sirius to rid themselves of all the country music stations because I want Sirius to be successful. And you shouldnt want them to get rid of all the Christian programming if you want Sirius to be successful. You wouldnt deny the huge market would you?
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The Christian community will therefore pick Sirius because its frankly better in nearly every other category.
That's OK, I'm only afraid that soon after that the Christian community will say that all other channels should be censored, and more Christian bands should be played on all of them. It's hard to stop God once he gains momentum
YES YOUR RIGHT Sirius is on a campaign to convert the nation to Christianity!!!!!!!!!ONWARD WE CHRISTIANS MARCH!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait I forgot...they are bringing that Howard Stern Guy too.
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Oh wait I forgot...they are bringing that Howard Stern Guy too.
Some people do say that Howard is God.
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Hey look, enjoy your Christian Rock channel. Peace be with you.
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Yeah man.
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