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Old 06-24-2005, 10:04 AM   #1
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Since the CRTC has licensed Sirius for Canada, is there any word on when CBC Radio One will be added to the Sirius line-up here in the US?
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The CRTC hasn't actually licensed Sirius or XM. They have established the criteria for licensing. Sirius and XM have to now decide whether they want to proceed, based on the conditions for licensing. (A third company also indicated it wants licensing for digital terrestrial-only subscription radio as well.)

I' guessing the Sirius consortium that includes (the public broadcaster) CBC and (a private broadcasting company) Standard Broadcasting, will be running by the autumn.

One of the "teasers" to the CRTC in the Sirius affiliated application was that American would have access to CBC and other Canadian programming. I'm guessing that will be implemented at the same time as the Canadian service.
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Old 06-25-2005, 08:00 AM   #3
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I hope that Sirius and XM do not give in to this extortion. They want 8 Channels of Canadian content? Please. Then I want 16 channels of US Only programming then. Let the market dictate what gets played, not the government.
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I hope that Sirius and XM do not give in to this extortion. They want 8 Channels of Canadian content? Please. Then I want 16 channels of US Only programming then. Let the market dictate what gets played, not the government.
Well, then, you've got your 16...and much more.

In the main, I agree. When the market is working, let it. But in the case of the Canadians, I can understand their point of view. The culture of a country of 30 million can easily be overrun by the culture of 300 million sitting right next door. In this instance, the market approach performs less well. This may not matter much to someone from South Carolina (or New York, where I'm from for that matter); but to a Torontonian, it's a different story.

I don't think 8 is so much to ask. (And--yes--Canada does have distinct cultural and social characteristics.) Variety is the spice of life, no?
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I hope that Sirius and XM do not give in to this extortion. They want 8 Channels of Canadian content? Please. Then I want 16 channels of US Only programming then. Let the market dictate what gets played, not the government.
Well, then, you've got your 16...and much more.

In the main, I agree. When the market is working, let it. But in the case of the Canadians, I can understand their point of view. The culture of a country of 30 million can easily be overrun by the culture of 300 million sitting right next door. In this instance, the market approach performs less well. This may not matter much to someone from South Carolina (or New York, where I'm from for that matter); but to a Torontonian, it's a different story.

I don't think 8 is so much to ask. (And--yes--Canada does have distinct cultural and social characteristics.) Variety is the spice of life, no?
I have traveled for business in 5 of the Canadian provinces. This crap is out of Ottawa and Quebec for sure.

Which 16 do we have? I hear Canadians all over Sirius, Shania Twain, The Guess Who, Rush, Averill Levine, Alanis Morrisette, Sarah McLaughlin all get played.

I am not from SC, I have been here less than a year. I have lived in MD, PA, and TX. I have traveled to most of the states. Most of the people from Canada that I have met don't have a chip on their shoulder, the closer you get to QE the worse it gets.

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???? Socialism?
Well, that's a little overwrought IMHO. But it's been nice exchanging viewpoints with you.
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Preach it, Brother TX!

There's zero need for content restrictions (of any kind) on subscription services. As an American, should I be upset that those darn Europeans are supressing America by their domination of the classical channels? Should all the "British Invasion" bands on the classic rock stations push me to require a native-born quota? How about those Latin stations, I doubt the best tunes (or the most played on Sirius) in that category are primarily from American artists. Despite the fact we're bigger, doesn't make us better in everything. (Although of course we are! ) I'd prefer Sirius played the best artists, regardless of their nationality.

If I were a Canadian artist,I'd be offended that my government thought I couldn't compete without their influence. Especially considering all the great music that's been produced in their great country.
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If I were a Canadian artist,I'd be offended that my government thought I couldn't compete without their influence. Especially considering all the great music that's been produced in their great country.
I agree, some of my favorite artists are from Canada. I was hoping that they would play some that I did not know, but when you start to tell Sirius what they can and can't play, that is
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There are a lot of Canadian citizens who live and work in the USA, and for them having access to the CBC would be wonderful. American news channels do not report very much news out of Canada, so for that reason alone, CBC would be an appropriate addition to the channel lineup.

As for the French stations, every Canadian city has CBC French, but non-francophones are not forced to listen to them. And does Sirius not have a method of locking out channels on the radios?

I personally hope CBC radio 1 and CBC radio 2 as well as Alberta's CKUA radio network will be offered to American subscribers.
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I hope they add some of these:

CBC Radio One (http://origin.www.cbc.ca/mrl2/liveme...cr1-ottawa.asx)
CBC Radio Two
Radio-Canada Premiere Chaîne
Radio-Canada Espace Musique
Radio Canada International Multilingual (http://www.rcinet.ca/rci/en/)
An audio feed of CTV Newsnet which is similar to CNN Headline News would be great (http://www.ctv.ca/ctvnews)
CKUA and some of the university stations would be great too.

And while this isn't Canadian:

An audio feed of BBC World (http://www.bbcworld.com) which Canadians get on satellite TV as a 24 hour service would be great. It has more variety than the BBC Newschannel.

It will be interesting to see how they configure CBC Radio One, as most of the feeds have some local programming (like the drive-in shows), weathercasts and CBC Radio One carries WRN programming overnight.

And before asking Sirius to block the francophone channels how about giving them a listen? There is some amazing musical talent in Québec: Ariane Moffatt, Andrée Watters, Exode, Les Respectables, Marie-Mai, Les Trois Accords, etc. put out pop/alternative music that is as good as anything coming out of the USA. I visit Dallas for work at least once a week and have many people in the local office hooked on it.
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I recall CBC1 and Premiere Chaine being in the original proposal.
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You are right. As it seems to be a joint venture between Sirius and the CBC, I would reckon that nearly all the Canadian channels will be CBC feeds of some sort.

R1, R2, R3, Premiere Chaîne, Espace Musique, RCI(?), Galaxie, Bandeaparte would be 8 channels.

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The difference being that Shania, Alanis, Celene, Avril, etc. all had to go to the USA (Hollywood or NYC) and sign a record deal with an US based company. All the support, direction, marketing etc would be handled by Americans and all the profit the was generated and taxes would have remained in the USA and nothing would be returned to Canada. None of these singers sing anything that is distinctly Canadian. If you didn't read their bio you wouldn't even know they were from Canada.

The reality is that there is no way a Canadian television and music industry could effectively compete with parallel industry in a country that is 9 times larger than Canada with the kind of money that such a large affluent population would generate. Canadians wouldn't see anything that reflects our cultures (anglophone/francophone/aboriginal) and our history on the air. Americans don't want to see programming that reflects the Canadian outlook so majority economics would rule and little to nothing Canadian would be produced.

The goal of the CRTC is try to even the playing field by creating an environment where a homegrown industry can develop and grow. They want to give Canadians artists, directors, producers, etc. the space to develop and display their talents without having to go to the USA. And it keeps the Canadian market from being drowned out altogether by American media which reflects a culture that is much more different than most Americans appreciate. It also helps the private sector and Canadian economy by the creation of media infastructure - recording studios, marketing etc. and all their support staff and gives Canadians jobs which is good for everyone, including Americans who sell good to Canadian consumers.

Every western country (Australia, New Zealand, the UK, EU etc.) has some kind of content regulation for the same reason.






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Pretty sad when your government doesn’t think you talented enough to break through that you have to have your music mandated. Sad. :\
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Yeah, it too bad all those Canadian Artists had to come to the US to make a name for themselves. I heard their's a really hot music scean in Moose Jaw, SK.
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