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Old 12-17-2003, 07:42 PM   #166
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Those fans I know are FURIOUS about the amount and type of 70s music on Movin Easy. They wish it would go back wherever it came from!
People don't like change, but I for one LOVE MovingEZ since it has changed.
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Old 12-17-2003, 10:40 PM   #167
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After visiting SiriusBackstage for several days now, and after listening to the streams via Sirius' web site, I think I've come to a few conclusions.

1. The truth is, I don't think there will ever be a 70s station that plays what I really want to hear. I think I'll be better off visiting the iTunes store and buying my favorite 70s songs, even if it ends up, over time, costing me a LOT of money.

2. I'm starting to see Manco's point, in that MovinEasy plays a lot of the songs that I'm looking to hear from a 70s station. For example, right now I'm listening to Seals & Croft's "Diamond Girl," on MovinEasy. That's a cool 70s song, isn't it?

3. Although I truly appreciate NJ's zeal and idealism, I'm wondering if I might better allocate my energies doing something more useful than badgering a corporate executive who probably doesn't care what a handful of rabble-rousers (like me) have to say. Let's face it, anyone who has ever worked for a large corporation knows that management doesn't know what's really going on at the working end of things, and what's more, management doesn't care to know. All they care about are the numbers, because their bonuses are based on the numbers. And don't tell me that there's more money in following the wishes of the consumer. If you really believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you. For corporate executives, the money is in keeping your job until next year's bonus, and until the stock options mature. You keep your job by playing it safe, and always, ALWAYS covering your ass. It's better to do a poor job that can be justified by reams of paperwork, than in doing a great job that some competing executive wonk can use against you in the vicious world of corporate politics. Instead of writing letters, we'd all be better off lighting votive candles and saying a prayer.

4. Ideally, I'd have both Sirius AND XM. That way, from XM I'd get my NASCAR Radio, I'd get my mellow New Age, and I'd get Art Bell. From Sirius, I'd get my NPR, I'd get my MovinEasy, and I'd get World Talk.

5. My final conclusion: I don't have that kind of jack, Jack. So, in the end, I'll have to choose between the two...
Right now I am sitting here listening to 70's on 7 on XM, and I have heard Al Green, Gladys Knight, Eric Clpaton, The Franco's, Donna Summer, this is awesome. I have made my choice and I am going to be getting a Roady installed in my truck. That way I can listen to 70's music when I want to. Yeah it's $10 a month, but since Sirius came along I have only added 10 cd's to my 700 CD music collection. Maybe with XM and Sirius I won't buy any more CD's.
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Now they just played the Captain and Tennile, then another song that I haven't heard for a while not sure of the artist (Who Loves You Pretty Baby) then they follow that up with KISS from Alive, Rock & Roll All Night.
I am so sold. I feel 15 again!
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Maybe with XM and Sirius I won't buy any more CD's.
I Just bought my first CD since having Sirius and it was an impulse buy for a Christmas CD. Somehow I think you will still find a way to buy some CD's if you've already bought 10 since having Sirius
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I guess that I am going to have to subscribe to XM to get my 70's fix. I hope that Sirius fixes the 70's and adds the 90's soon.
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I guess that I am going to have to subscribe to XM to get my 70's fix. I hope that Sirius fixes the 70's and adds the 90's soon.
I know how you feel bro... I had actually considered putting my ole Roady away after the holiday's, but I am going to hold off on that a while. Just too much I am enjoying on XM right now. But those On-Star commercials though really, really get to me and I always end up back jamming with the dog. It won't bother you at first, but after you listen to them over and over and over... you'll see what I mean.

SIRIUS is going to fix the 70's stream and I am thinking we will have a 90' streams very soon.
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I guess that I am going to have to subscribe to XM to get my 70's fix. I hope that Sirius fixes the 70's and adds the 90's soon.
I know how you feel bro... I had actually considered putting my ole Roady away after the holiday's, but I am going to hold off on that a while. Just too much I am enjoying on XM right now. But those On-Star commercials though really, really get to me and I always end up back jamming with the dog. It won't bother you at first, but after you listen to them over and over and over... you'll see what I mean.

SIRIUS is going to fix the 70's stream and I am thinking we will have a 90' streams very soon.
Then all will be right with the world.

Well maybe not everything But I would be happy.
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Hi, guys and gals. I've been out of town for a few days and just got caught up on what's been happening with this thread. A couple of things really concern me:

It would seem that Sirius values the input of a test group of "potential" subscribers more than the feedback of those who have already made the investment in hardware and a subscription. Sorry, that's just plain wrong. I have no idea how Sirius goes about selecting its testing or focus groups, but if it's anything like the focus groups I've been involved in, you're chosen because you're on their contact list and you fit a certain demographic they need to fill. You go in because you're being paid for it, and while you give them your honest opinion about their product, you may have absolutely no intention of going out and buying it. So, how many of those test group participants who hate 70's pop have run right out and signed up for Sirius because of the Totally 70's programming? Meanwhile, you have several people on this forum feeling like they have no choice but to abandon Sirius because Sirius refuses to address this issue.

Also, while I'm grateful to NJRonbo for getting Sirius to sit up and take notice of the issue with the 70s stream, and I'm glad to see that Sirius has offered to meet with him about it, I also have to wonder if we would have gotten a similar response were it not for his web article. In other words, if our little group had no one like NJ with the ability to spread the word about these issues beyond this forum, would Sirius have ever taken the time to respond? (And I'm not including Don Tandler's post. I certainly appreciate that he took the time to give us his thoughts/observations about the issue--it's a lot more effort than Sirius' programmers or management have given. But he makes it clear he speaks only on his own behalf and not on Sirius' behalf).

All in all, it makes me feel like Sirius doesn't value my $12.95 per month very much.
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All in all, it makes me feel like Sirius doesn't value my $12.95 per month very much.
I don't think this impression is warranted. Of course they care about existing customers, but they also have to attract customers. If their programming is only good enough to hook them, but not retain them then they will fail and they aren't dumb enough to not know this. Sirius will get it right in the end, but realistically the 200,000+ customers they currently have pales in comparison to how many they expect to get in the next year. Once they have critical mass of customers, the existing subscirbers voices become louder compared to potential customers whenever there's a problem.

It's also true that they will make programming decisions that don't please everone. I don't feel as strongly about the 70's stream as NJRonbo for instance because it's a make or break for him. I think it can be improved, but I kinda like switching to MovingEZ to get my 70's soft hits fix, and then back to 70's for Rock and a moderate dose of disco and pop. I think they just need to include more pop and cut the repetition to make it much better. They need to make sure that every 70's hit has a home so it can be heard one way or the other imo. I don't think I would dislike a 70's channel that NJRonbo would be in favor of, but it's possible I wouldn't enjoy listening to it for hours a day like I do now.

One thing I can say for sure. I enjoy more streams than I did when I first subscribed in June. They have improved things overall, and there's still room for improvement. These improvements tell me Sirius is listening. I can hardly wait to see what it's like 1 year from now.
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I agree with you that MovingEZ does play a lot of mellow 70s pop hits but the point here is simple. TOTALLY 70s means TOTALLY 70s. Not listen to stream 7 for 70s rock and switch to MovinEZ for pop hits. I feel the same as NJRonbo. The 70s stream is the main stream I listen to and I want to hear all the music I heard while I was growing up. As soon as I compile three days worth of music, I will post my findings on this site. However, there is one thing I would like to point out. Today I listened from 10 am. until 3 pm and heard Sara Smile by Hall & Oates twice in less than a two hour period. I also heard way too much Doobie Brothers, Billy Joel and Wings.

How many songs charted during the 70s? I think it would be safe to say that there are enough so that we would not have to hear Sara Smile twice in less than a two hour period. Also let me restate a point I made in an earlier post -- XM has 1,000,000 subscriptions. I assume there are some that listen to the 70s stream (I know I do). Yet, we do not see a similar thread on XMFan. Why? Because XM knows what a 70s stream is all about -- 70s MUSIC --- ALL 70s MUSIC.
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Very good point Joybandit!!! If it isnt broke, people wont complain or post. But if it is, then they do. This thread and others related to the 70s have drawn more posts and views than most anything else in quite sometime around here (maybe since the topic of 90s was hot?). If someone wants to know what people who eat chicken want, they ask the people who eat chicken, not fish or beef eaters. Point being, the people that are posting complaints are the 70s music fans and usually those who lived it, they know the music. Thus said, Sirius need to listen to that audience and what we are saying!! Dont ask me about country, dance or metal- its not my thing.... but ask the fans of the music genre in question, actually just listen to us- we have spoken!!!! TOTAL 70s- not partial 70s, and cut out the repeats and overplay of certain artists!!! Get it right, please!!
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[quote="AZJoe1"] If someone wants to know what people who eat chicken want, they ask the people who eat chicken, not fish or beef eaters. Point being, the people that are posting complaints are the 70s music fans and usually those who lived it, they know the music. Thus said, Sirius need to listen to that audience and what we are saying!!



Well said, Joe. That's my point exactly. In this case the subscribers are the "chicken eaters"--not Joe Blow on the street who has no intention of subscribing no matter what Sirius offers. The issue, as Joybandit and others have pointed out, is really one of false advertising. The channel is called "Totally 70's" and it's anything but. If Sirius wants to tweak one of its rock channels to be 70's classic rock, then that's fine. But don't market it as being all the good stuff from the 70's, because that's just an outright lie.

I'm glad Manco is happy by having to switch from channel to channel to find a good sampling of 70's music. But that doesn't seem to pacify the rest of us--it certainly doesn't me. I doubt any of the channels he mentions is going to play much by the Partridge Family or the DeFrancos. They probably aren't going to play "The Nights Went Out in Georgia" by Vicki Lawrence or "The Streak" by Ray Stevens either. Yes, all that music is campy as hell, but it's 70's through and through.

I can say this with absolute certainty--if I didn't already have XM and had purchased Sirius because they marketed a dedicated 70's channel, my sub would have been cancelled and the hardware returned to CC within their return period once I saw that channel for what it really is.
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I'm glad Manco is happy by having to switch from channel to channel to find a good sampling of 70's music. But that doesn't seem to pacify the rest of us--it certainly doesn't me. I doubt any of the channels he mentions is going to play much by the Partridge Family or the DeFrancos. They probably aren't going to play "The Nights Went Out in Georgia" by Vicki Lawrence or "The Streak" by Ray Stevens either. Yes, all that music is campy as hell, but it's 70's through and through.
Thank You, Rich. Well said.

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That may be somewhat true, but they don't play all the campy
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... I doubt any of the channels he mentions is going to play much by the Partridge Family or the DeFrancos. They probably aren't going to play "The Nights Went Out in Georgia" by Vicki Lawrence or "The Streak" by Ray Stevens either. Yes, all that music is campy as hell, but it's 70's through and through.
I'm in favor of sneaking all of those campy songs in on totally 70's. When I say sneak, I mean that a couple campy songs per hour and keep rotating them. Also I don't care if they throw in all 70's music, it's just a matter of the balance they want to strike.

I'm currently listening to 70 on 7 on XM's preview. And I will reserve judgement, but 40 minutes into the preview, and I have yet to hear a classic rock song. It seems to me XM has more focus on pop almost to the exclusion of light classic rock. I prefer the focus to be on light classic rock with pop thrown in. Sirius needs more of the pop, and more variety overall, we all agree on that. But so far I don't think I would be happy with XM's version with my first impressions.

Part of it might have to do with what channels we listened to in the 70's. Mine was admittedly a light rock with crossover hits played. They played top 40, but my tastes leaned towards rock.
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EXACTLY!! That's why XM gets it, and Sirius doesn't. When I want to listen to a classic rock song, I'll turn to a classic rock stream.

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It sounds like most of the people who are disappointed in Totally 70s, including myself, have just the opposite priorities. Pop first, rock second, if at all.

I still say the folks at www.super70s.us have the ultimate 70s progamming. It sounds like a perfect replica of 1970s KFRC am (San Francisco's dominant Top-40 station of that decade). A ton of pop, plenty of novelty songs thrown in, and some disco toward the end of the decade. Not a lot of R&B or soul, and only a touch of light rock.

XM comes fairly close, but Sirius doesn't get it at all...

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