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Old 08-18-2003, 09:55 PM   #31
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The best radio is that which challenges and disturbs the listener.

I dare you to shed your skin.
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Why am I reminded of the old country song Sneaky Snake?
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Old 08-18-2003, 09:58 PM   #34
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No offense, but your world is rapidly falling apart.

Perhaps you should try rethinking this whole ''reality'' thing.

http://www.marshallmcluhan.com/

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Rickets: Marshall McLuhan is dead.

We live in the real world.

Like it or not!
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Things are not as they seem,
Skim milk masquerades as cream.

--Marshall McLuhan, who would have, by the way, doubtless loved SIRIUS radio, including Octane

Then again, Ogden Nash said:

Shake, shake, shake the ketchup bottle,
First none will come out,
then a lot'l.
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Old 08-18-2003, 10:02 PM   #36
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Mass media is another lame concept.
Service that appeals to the masses is the only way a company with huge overhead like Satellite radio can hope to make a profit. That's the reality. If you think your ideal way of programming the service would appeal to the masses, then I could see your gripe. But on the other hand you would be satisfying the masses which is somewhat of a paradox to your way of thinking.
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IF IT WORKS,
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The story of modern America begins With the discovery of the white man by
The Indians.

Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public
incredulity.

Whereas convictions depend on speed-ups, justice requires delay.

The nature of people demands that most of them be engaged in the most
frivolous possible activities—like making money.

With telephone and TV it is not so much the message as the sender that is
“sent.”

Money is the poor man’s credit card.

We look at the present through a rear-view mirror. We march backwards into
the future.

Spaceship earth is still operated by railway conductors, just as NASA is
managed by men with Newtonian goals.

Invention is the mother of necessities.

You mean my whole fallacy’s wrong?

Mud sometimes gives the illusion of depth.

The car has become the carapace, the protective and aggressive shell, of urban and suburban man.

Why is it so easy to acquire the solutions of past problems and so difficult to solve current ones?

The trouble with a cheap, specialized education is that you never stop paying for it.

People don’t actually read newspapers. They step into them every morning like a hot bath.

The road is our major architectural form.

Today each of us lives several hundred years in a decade.

Today the business of business is becoming the constant invention of new business.

The price of eternal vigilance is indifference.

News, far more than art, is artifact.

When you are on the phone or on the air, you have no body.

Tomorrow is our permanent address.

All advertising advertises advertising.

The answers are always inside the problem, not outside.

“Camp” is popular because it gives people a sense of reality to see a replay of their lives.

This information is top security. When you have read it, destroy yourself.

The specialist is one who never makes small mistakes while moving toward the grand fallacy.

One of the nicest things about being big is the luxury of thinking little.

Politics offers yesterday’s answers to today’s questions.

The missing link created far more interest than all the chains and explanations of being.

In big industry new ideas are invited to rear their heads so they can be clobbered at once. The idea department of a big firm is a sort of lab for isolating dangerous viruses.

When a thing is current, it creates currency.

Food for the mind is like food for the body: the inputs are never the same as the outputs.

Men on frontiers, whether of time or space, abandon their previous identities. Neighborhood gives identity. Frontiers snatch it away.

The future of the book is the blurb.

The ignorance of how to use new knowledge stockpiles exponentially.

A road is a flattened-out wheel, rolled up in the belly of an airplane.

At the speed of light, policies and political parties yield place to charismatic images.

“I may be wrong, but I’m never in doubt.”

—Copyright © 1986, McLuhan Associates, Ltd.
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I seem to have touched a nerve.

I still say McLuhan would have loved Octane, repeats and all.
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I'm asking Octane to be what it advertises... a new rock station with minimal repeats.
I have NEVER ever heard Sirius advertise Octane as "a new rock station with minimal repeats." Firstly, Sirius would have called it a stream. Second, I have never heard them advertise anything with regard to Octane, much less minimal repeats.

Where and when did you hear/see this? Details and specifics, please. Or is it just YOUR expectation, as I suspect...
Sirius runs a spot (or at least they used to...i havent heard it lately...that's rather suspicious...) saying something about "less repitition" yadda yadda yadda. I've heard the spot on Octane. So there ya go.
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Octane is a hits station. Repeats come with the territory with hits stations.

Otherwise, people would complain they never hear their favorite music!
I'm going to throw the bullshit flag on that one. A hit to you may mean having it played five times a day until it's crammed down your throat and played to death. But I mean...come on dude...there are plenty of 'hit' songs that arent played constantly...

The macarena is a hit song, but I never hear that one anymore.
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Wow... the same song twice in 6 hours. Wow.... thats just aweful. Maybe you should look into FM.... I'm sure you wouldn't hear that 2 times in 6 hours on FM... more like 5 or 6. You have to play the hits, and that song, unfortunatly is a hit.

311 is a joke... They are the most hipocritical band ever... Come Original 311, all your songs sound the same.
Don't be a fool. My post said that the same song was played three times in six hours, another song was played twice in six hours. These were the only repeats I chose to note.

If Octane wants to play the hits, there are plenty of hits they never ever play. There's no reason that they should have such a narrow library of 'hits.'

One would think that if Octane were playing "The biggest hits and the biggest names from the mid-'90s to today " that repitition would not exist, since the station has 13 years worth of 'hits' to play.

Let's do the math...let's say there have been something like 20 hit songs a month (a gross underestimation)...that would give us 240 songs a year...times 13 years...gives us 3120 different songs for octane to choose from. Meaning we should go 9360 minutes without having to hear the same song (over 6 days). Basically by playing the same few songs several times a day, Octane defies all mathematical laws of probability.


311 is not the issue.
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Old 08-19-2003, 11:17 PM   #42
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First off, we are not in 2008, we are in 2003. That would make it 8 years(mid-90s=95 until 03). And how are 'hits' defined? I would say that there are less than 20 ROCK hits a month, as that would mean that every week, there would be 5 new hits, which simply isn't true. Now, saying 10 per month would yield 960, or one song every two days, if you consider them all equal. For example, one is more likely to hear Bruce Springsteen/Born to Run more times per week on The Rock, than say The Eagles/Get Over It, b/c Born to Run was a bigger hit.

not saying that Octane needs to be reformed a hair, just commenting that there is no way that a big hit song should be played just once every '6 days'.
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A radio ''hit'' is a song with an immediate visceral impact on a large segment of the tuned-in audience. Once upon a time, DJs were hired because they had well developed empathy for the mass audience and could easily spot these ''hits''.

Nowadays, dipshits like Lee Abrams (and several people at Sirius) use computer voodoo research, which doesn't even come close.


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First off, we are not in 2008, we are in 2003. That would make it 8 years(mid-90s=95 until 03). And how are 'hits' defined? I would say that there are less than 20 ROCK hits a month, as that would mean that every week, there would be 5 new hits, which simply isn't true. Now, saying 10 per month would yield 960, or one song every two days, if you consider them all equal. For example, one is more likely to hear Bruce Springsteen/Born to Run more times per week on The Rock, than say The Eagles/Get Over It, b/c Born to Run was a bigger hit.

not saying that Octane needs to be reformed a hair, just commenting that there is no way that a big hit song should be played just once every '6 days'.
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Umm ... I worked at a commercial radio station for 5 years, and there are nowhere near 20 hits a month, sorry. We would add between 1 and 3 songs a week during peak times --- some weeks we would add nothing. We were the leading rock station in our market. There simply isn't as much product as you think siriusatn67 -- I wish there were. Also remember that of those adds, many fail miserably, never charting, never catching on -- so you can say that at least half (probably more like 3/4) will never be heard again. This is how radio works. The average successful radio station (one that makes money and is at the top of its format in the market it competes in) has fewer than 1,000 songs in its library. Ratings go down with musical diversity (studies have shown this many times over). As far as alternative rock stations go, Octane is fairly low repetition, however, unless you're listening to Left of Center, you're going to get repetition.

Also factor this in: you're looking at the current hits being repeated. That is because they are in "heavy rotation". I bet you don't hear much repetition at all for the older stuff in the catalog (I know I don't) ... that's how it goes. Radio exists to market music to listeners, just like movie theaters market movies. You don't see variety there, only the current hits (there are genres ... romance, action, sci-fi, but they are commercial formulae). There are arthouse theatres (LOC), but they don't have a large audience and aren't very profitable (except in big cities that can support them). Sirius needs stations that are mass market best of breed, and they're doing alright. For the more discering listener, which includes you and me, we want more variety -- and they give it in the form of AltNation and Left of Center. We like the arthouse, most people don't ... this is why programming radio is always going to be difficult. You have to have the commercial station along with the non-commercial one, or most people won't like Sirius. A service that makes us overwhelmed with joy with no repetition is useless if it stops operating due to lack of subscribers ...
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That's total BS, top to bottom.

This kind of thinking is why smart people don't listen to FM commercial stations anymore.

Ratings do not mean anything, other than the ability to deliver a predictable number of demographically similar ears to an advertiser.

http://www.radioandrecords.com/Charts/ar_Home.htm


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Umm ... I worked at a commercial radio station for 5 years, and there are nowhere near 20 hits a month, sorry. We would add between 1 and 3 songs a week during peak times --- some weeks we would add nothing. We were the leading rock station in our market. There simply isn't as much product as you think siriusatn67 -- I wish there were. Also remember that of those adds, many fail miserably, never charting, never catching on -- so you can say that at least half (probably more like 3/4) will never be heard again. This is how radio works. The average successful radio station (one that makes money and is at the top of its format in the market it competes in) has fewer than 1,000 songs in its library. Ratings go down with musical diversity (studies have shown this many times over). As far as alternative rock stations go, Octane is fairly low repetition, however, unless you're listening to Left of Center, you're going to get repetition.

Also factor this in: you're looking at the current hits being repeated. That is because they are in "heavy rotation". I bet you don't hear much repetition at all for the older stuff in the catalog (I know I don't) ... that's how it goes. Radio exists to market music to listeners, just like movie theaters market movies. You don't see variety there, only the current hits (there are genres ... romance, action, sci-fi, but they are commercial formulae). There are arthouse theatres (LOC), but they don't have a large audience and aren't very profitable (except in big cities that can support them). Sirius needs stations that are mass market best of breed, and they're doing alright. For the more discering listener, which includes you and me, we want more variety -- and they give it in the form of AltNation and Left of Center. We like the arthouse, most people don't ... this is why programming radio is always going to be difficult. You have to have the commercial station along with the non-commercial one, or most people won't like Sirius. A service that makes us overwhelmed with joy with no repetition is useless if it stops operating due to lack of subscribers ...
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