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View Poll Results: What's your initial impression of this channel?
Is good enough to become one of my presets 55 44.72%
Is good and I will listen again 26 21.14%
Is okay and I might listen again 13 10.57%
Is not enjoyable to me 12 9.76%
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Old 11-05-2005, 02:46 PM   #226
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How many folk streams do you see on FM that are commercially supported?

Case closed. Folk (whether you like it or not) is a niche format. Public or satellite radio is usually the path for a station that plays folk, or any othe niche format, I could count on two hands how many 'decades' channels you found on FM 5-10 years ago, now you're lucky to find one or two at least in this market.
But I think you are missing the point here. This is not FM or AM radio, it's Satellite Radio. Satellite should not copy what FM & AM are doing. Most people will compare everything to what they are use to. Satellite is a new form of radio that we have no idea of what that should look like or sound like. Sirius needs to make sure that it 's different from FM and I'm not so sure that they are doing that.
I see your point exactly. Folk and other formats like it SHOULD be supported in a satellite-radio enviornment. Unfortunately, only so much bandwidth is alloted to both services, and that bandwidth costs money, if there isn't enough interest in one format over another to relegate that much bandwidth to one stream, then there's no reason for it to stick around. That's not SIRIUS or XM's fault, that's the FCC. And while folk has a nice little cult following, it wasn't enough in SIRIUS eyes to warrant an entire stream.

My point was also, that removing folktown isn't going to cause a mass exodus back to FM or anywhere else for that matter. If nothing else a folk listener will get XM only to find that they're removing their folk stream as well. (I don't know if they are or not, just an example). If Satellite radio was about being everything to everyone I seriously doubt either company would still be in business.

And you think Sirius sounds like FM, show me where Radio Margaritaville is located on the FM dial. Or Sirius Disorder or the all Bluegrass or Reggae channel.

Everything happens for a reason, it was determined in some form or another that the folk stream was not worthy of staying around. If there is enough of a demand, and SIRIUS determines that's it's worthy of the bandwidth, it may come back. As a result, WSM is getting a little more bandwidth then people are used to, so there's something good that came out of it.

I don't listen to folk enough to notice a distinct hole in the service. Coffeehouse does it for me, it mixes folk, and jazz and other forms of acoustic music that I find very nice. I haven't had the displeasure of losing a favorite stream to something else, up until the bridge became E Street Radio, so I know where everyone is coming from. If their schedule for the bridge holds (and I'm not holding my breath) it might be back in January.

I personally wouldn't mind some of the Rap Streams disappearing in favor of some of the old favorites and missing genres that are mentioned here ad nauseum. (that's right SHADY I'm talkin' to you!)
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Old 11-05-2005, 05:09 PM   #227
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What I'm trying to say is that, can Sirius and it's subscribers think out side the box. I don't know how to do that myself at this point. I don't have the privilege of having an FM experience where I live, so I can't compare. I don't think it's a bandwidth problem either. What I think Sirius does is based on what or why the majority of people would want to get Sirius. It's based on their FM experience. Sirius is too sacred to do something different at this time because they need to attract as many subscribers to keep this thing going. At this point it's the bottom line that they are addressing and to experiment with a whole new approach at this time would probably be suicide.

If you think of satellite radio, how would you envision that? Would it be based on your FM experience? Would it based on something new?
This is what I would like everyone to think about.

It will take sometime for change to happen, but for now this is what we're most familiar with.
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Old 11-07-2005, 06:29 PM   #228
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My point was also, that removing folktown isn't going to cause a mass exodus back to FM or anywhere else for that matter. If nothing else a folk listener will get XM only to find that they're removing their folk stream as well. (I don't know if they are or not, just an example). If Satellite radio was about being everything to everyone I seriously doubt either company would still be in business.
The difference is that if XM were to replace their Folk channels with blah (the way Sirius has done) people can get pro-rated refunds rather than have to pay a cancellation fee (unlike Sirius, which charges a $75 cancellation fee).


TheCoffeeHouse is acoustic Rock from TheBridge and TheSpectrum, Electronic from Chill, and Jazz from PureJazz and StandardTime. Admittedly, I haven’t listened to TheCoffeeHouse recently. However on its first day, it was exactly as I described. The fifth song they played was also played on Chill not more than five minutes prior.

XM does a great job with their genre distribution (with the exception of heavy metal, which was relegated to online-only). I don't notice any music overlapping different channels. They have great Folk music channels too (better than what FolkTown and Horizons were).
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Old 11-09-2005, 04:12 PM   #229
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I was one of the guys that was very disappointed the first time I heard coffee house, every time I heard it sounded like MTV unplugged to me.
However, I've found that it does play a lot of my old favorites from Folktown as well as Bridge, Chill, Pure Jazz etc.

While it won't replace Folktown nor satisfy the people that are really into the music that Folktown played, I've added it as a pre set on my radio and listen to it quite a lot.

For whatever reason folk music is hard if not impossible to find on the radio, you'd think it'd be as popular as Classical or Jazz.

You've got WUMB in Boston that plays it 24/7, WFCR in Amherst on weekends as well as a few other public radio stations and that's it.

Maybe it's a regional thing. If you listen to the upcoming live shows on the Dharma Cafe I thought that at least half of the performances they mentioned were in New York or New England.

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Old 11-09-2005, 04:43 PM   #230
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As much as I try, I just can't get into Coffeehouse. I perfer to stick with one genre at a time when I listen to music. I tend to have moods for music, Jazz, Classical, Bluegrass, Country, Spa (great for background music at home LOVE THIS!) but I don't like having it all mixed up, I end up hitting the button, making my own coffeehouse. I do like Disorder sometimes, they tend to stay more genre specific. I do tune into Coffeehouse and sometimes make it through 2 or 3 songs before I scream with frustration (U2??? GREG BROWN ??? REM??? MILES DAVIES ??? ALL ON THE SAME CHANNEL???) It just doesn;t work for me.
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:19 PM   #231
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I can't understand why the music on Coffeehouse is so repetitive. Seems like their CD collection is minuscule. How is this channel programmed ? By a machine or a committee ? It seems so limited and unimaginative. Is Sirius under the influence of payola ? Lots of Indio Girls, David Gray, Damian Rice.

Disappointing to hear such limitations on a satellite broadcast.

Does anyone understand how Sirius assigns decides what music gets played ?
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:22 PM   #232
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Ok, so I am an old guy who can remember the early days of MTV when they actually played music (the M did stand for music after all). They played some new music that you couldn't hear on the radio (especially on radio in smaller markets like where I live). It was new and exciting. Slowly they went away from music and moved towards original content, they created their own shows that had nothing to do with music.

Is this where Sirius is going?

By bringing Martha and Howard on with their own channels, I think that it is. I think that they are slowly moving away from music, just like MTV did. Eliminating Folktown was just one step in the direction. Another example is the channels that are playing all one artist. Let's face it; they are just glorified info-commercials. Maybe these are the types of things that Sirius has to do to be a viable business? Maybe music alone can't do it?

I miss the old MTV. I miss Folktown.
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Old 11-11-2005, 09:43 PM   #233
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I can assure you that Sirius' music channels are still very very very important to them, we won't be seeing an MTV like thing just because Folktown got removed.
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Old 11-15-2005, 11:21 AM   #234
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i pretty much have no desire to listen to this station, assuming that it's all singer-songwriter John Mayer-type crap... but since some people have said it's just anything acoustic, does um, that include any unplugged rock, u know, like Alice in Chains unplugged?
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Old 11-23-2005, 11:54 AM   #235
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It's official.

As of 11-22-05 I have removed The Coffeehouse from my 3 Sirius radio presets. I just couldn't take it any more. I replace it with Margarittaville (31) on all of them.

I also removed the Globe and replaced that with Blues (74).

What are they thinking ?
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Old 11-27-2005, 08:44 PM   #236
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I find that, while Coffee House has its moments, they are few and not long. I really miss Folktown.
If Sirius needs bandwidth, there are plenty of channels that are duplicated. How many rap channels can anyone listen to? Sirius could even plan folk segments or shows that are scheduled and advertised so we can count on hearing our favorites at least sometimes. :\
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Old 11-27-2005, 08:56 PM   #237
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Obviously, CoffeHouse is NOT an alternative to FolkTown. I have had my Lifetime Subscription for approximately a year and was originally turned onto Sirius through my Dish Network and FolkTown. It was the music and the jocks; sure I enjoyed many other channels, but FolkTown was number one. How can they not have a channel representing that genre? Especially with all the new artists which fit into that type of music, like Johnson, even Mayer?

So, I had to check out XM, and much to my surprise they not only had a dedicated folk channel, but also did excellent mixes on other channels which also included folk cuts. Sure I listen to many other formats, but Folk is not easy to find on commercial radio, therefore I went onto satellite. You would think with all their High-Priced Talent and the 24/7 one artist only channels you would think they would continue to provide a folk alternative.

I never would have considered XM if it wasn't for their FolkTown cancellation. Now I have a real portable unit that I use while walking around the hills of SOCAL. This TAO Portable has a great feature called TuneSelect, which is a Talent Selective Memory, not just a single song title selection. Therefore, whenever, let's say, a Dylan Song is played on any XM Channel the unit alerts me and I can then tune to that channel, very cool.

Yeah, I know it sounds like I'm touting the XM choice, but I still have my Sirius Lifetime Subscription and would be very happy if they offered a Folk Channel, not Starbucks CoffeeHouse. It is not acoustic, but a Mish-Mosh of everything from Sinatra to Miles Davis to Guthrie to Elton John to of course, The Indigo Girls, Coldplay; do they own a piece of those groups or what? So Sirius can afford Stern, Cousin Brucie, Martha, etc, but not a single Folk Channel? It is hard to comprehend, but thanks for turning me onto XM...s2s[img
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I never would have considered XM if it wasn't for their FolkTown cancellation. It is hard to comprehend, but thanks for turning me onto XM...
Ha ! my thoughts exactly. I was a BIG fan of Folktown and Sirius in general, but when they dumped Folktown and "replaced" it with Coffeehouse I was FURIOUS !! I had suggested Sirius to several friends and relatives and they loved it, until 9-29-05 that is. I at that point went over to XM, got the MYFI2GO and use it running, it's amazing, I then got the Roady2 for the house and car.
I'm still monthly with Sirius (3 radios) and hope they see the light again after the Stern stuff settles. I still love Sirius, but if someone ask's (and they do, I'm in the audio/tech field) I point to the XM service.
Spa 73 has become an attiction. Great for background when not listening to Outlaw Country or Planet Jazz.
Keep those cards and letters and emails off to Sirius. Folktown will be back someday, I just hope it's soon....XM is far superior at this point.

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It was obvious at one time that Sirius thought very highly of FolkTown. It was one of the few channels with knowledgable DJ's and many show specials; then what happened for them to totally disregard the genre? It just doesn't make sense. Do we not fit the correct demographics? I too turned many friends onto Sirius, and FolkTown was the deciding factor and most, including myself bought into Lifetime Subscriptions. Yeah, I've done the emails and phone calls, but it seemed my only choice was to check out XM; and that certainly filled te void. As I write this a string of Tom Rush plays on my XM. Yeah, I guess Dylan is such a small niche, what are they nutz? Humm, wasn't there a recent Dylan piece on 60 Minutes, oh, Stern also had one of those. Do you like Jack Johnson? Actually he could easily be considered Folk, where should Sirius place him now? Country? Rock? Maybe Pop? Oh, they could always play him the CoffeHouse, they can play anyone on CoffeeHouse, it's the alternative for anything; guess it's an easy out...s2s

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