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Old 10-25-2005, 07:25 AM   #16
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Darren surprised me last weekend when I requested "Turn Of The Screw" by Dirty Looks. He played it. Then it was back to the usual heavy rotation of the predictable. Just keep e-mailing Tawn and Darren. They read it, they hear it, we're not going away. After all, we're the ones paying for this.
Yeah, recently I've heard Hair Nation kind of mixing in some stuff that I don't remember ever hearing before. I was hoping that it was because of song requests. I'd hate to see them load up every metal song recorded into iTunes and then click "shuffle."

Like right now they're playing, "Since You Been Gone" by Rainbow. I'm like, "Ok... don't remember that one from school either... probably because the DJ didn't like death threats." But if this stuff is turning up by requests, then I'm ok with it.
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:32 AM   #17
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HN isn't that bad in regard to repetition.

Right here at SBS recently, HN has actually been criticized for not playing enough Def Leppard etc.
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:55 AM   #18
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HN isn't that bad in regard to repetition.

Right here at SBS recently, HN has actually been criticized for not playing enough Def Leppard etc.
I think that topic was a bit misunderstood. It wasn't a complaint about not enough Def Leppard, etc songs getting played per day. It was a complaint about the song selection for these big artists being too shallow. Hair Nation is still focused on playing the biggest songs by the biggest artists, which means that many songs get played at least once per day. They have added a few deeper songs into the mix, but it's still largely hit-based and has a pretty limited playlist. to my ears, the station is still too repetitious. The playlist has remained largely the same for the past 2 years, and many quality, recognizeable songs from major artists continue to be left off the playlist. The songs they play are great, but it just seems to me like they're missing out on a lot of other great songs as well.
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Old 10-25-2005, 09:15 AM   #19
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The playlist has remained largely the same for the past 2 years, and many quality, recognizeable songs from major artists continue to be left off the playlist.
There are numerous SBS members who will disagree with you. According to them, the HN playlist has gradually gotten better over the last couple years.

And many of those "quality, recognizeable songs" are being played on other channels, as I proved recently.

If all the "quality, recognizeable songs" Def Leppard has ever recorded were played on HN every week, one group of whiners would be wailing that "HN is playing way too much DL". Since they don't play all of them every week, of course another faction of gripers grouse that they don't play enough of DL's "quality, recognizeable songs" on HN.

So Sirius is damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
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Old 10-25-2005, 09:44 AM   #20
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Point taken. Just wanted to clarify that your comment about not enough Def Leppard being played was not a comment about too little repetition (which is how it sounded in your original post), but really a comment about too much repetition of the major hits.

I also think that there's more than enough time to play the major hits and other "quality, recognizeable" songs in the current rotation. On average, the biggest Hair Nation bands get played about every 2 hours. That's 84 plays per week. If Hair Nation currently plays about 12 Def Leppard songs (only about 5-6 of which are in a heavy rotation), and increased that song count to 21 songs, that would still average out to 4 plays per week per song. They could still play their favorite 5-6 songs once per day, which would knock the remaining songs down to about 3 plays per week. To me, that's a nice balance. The biggest songs still get played frequently, but you'll also have the chance to hear a larger representation of that band's songs. But instead of playing these "quality, recognizeable" songs even 3 times a week, or even once a week, they're just totally ignored. That's what makes the playlist seem stale to me after listening for a while. Thankfully, I'm able to mix in a bunch of other stations in the time I listen to Sirius, so I always have somewhere to turn when I get frustrated with Hair Nation.
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Old 10-25-2005, 10:37 AM   #21
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Point taken. Just wanted to clarify that your comment about not enough Def Leppard being played was not a comment about too little repetition (which is how it sounded in your original post), but really a comment about too much repetition of the major hits.

I also think that there's more than enough time to play the major hits and other "quality, recognizeable" songs in the current rotation. On average, the biggest Hair Nation bands get played about every 2 hours. That's 84 plays per week. If Hair Nation currently plays about 12 Def Leppard songs (only about 5-6 of which are in a heavy rotation), and increased that song count to 21 songs, that would still average out to 4 plays per week per song. They could still play their favorite 5-6 songs once per day, which would knock the remaining songs down to about 3 plays per week. To me, that's a nice balance. The biggest songs still get played frequently, but you'll also have the chance to hear a larger representation of that band's songs. But instead of playing these "quality, recognizeable" songs even 3 times a week, or even once a week, they're just totally ignored. That's what makes the playlist seem stale to me after listening for a while. Thankfully, I'm able to mix in a bunch of other stations in the time I listen to Sirius, so I always have somewhere to turn when I get frustrated with Hair Nation.
I see you're the type who enjoys arguing in circles, repeating the same thing over and over.

You've presented no new arguments or opinions.

I already proved that "quality, recognizeable" songs by Def Leppard are being played on other channels. If you want to hear a "larger representation", change the fricking channel. One push of a button doesn't take much effort.

I already explained what would happen if they played more Def Leppard songs on HN--you'd get a bunch of whiners griping that they're playing too much DL on HN.

You've stated your same opinion of how HN should be programmed several times now. We understood you the first time.

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Has any one noticed they are playing wayyyy too much Def Lepard!
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I see you're the type who enjoys arguing in circles, repeating the same thing over and over.
I think we were both trying to explain our points, and I tried to re-explain a comment that I thought was misunderstood. If it wasn't misunderstood, then I apologize.

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You've presented no new arguments or opinions.
No, I just tried to strengthen an exsiting opinion by giving more concrete example of how song diversity could be accomplished on the station.

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I already proved that "quality, recognizeable" songs by Def Leppard are being played on other channels. If you want to hear a "larger representation", change the fricking channel. One push of a button doesn't take much effort.
And I asked a question on a previous thread about Judas Priest requests, which I believe you participated in, what makes one Judas Priest song a Hair Nation song, but another Judas Priest song a Buzzsaw/Hard Attack song (outside of ballads, which are Hair Nation-specific). The same argument applies to Def Leppard. Is it logical programming for me to have to know that I can hear Def Leppard's "Photograph" on Hair Nation, but I have to go to Buzzsaw to hear "Let it Go?" Is it that much of a stretch to think that all of a band's songs that fit a particular genre will be played in that station's song rotation?

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I already explained what would happen if they played more Def Leppard songs on HN--you'd get a bunch of whiners griping that they're playing too much DL on HN.
I misunderstood you here. By "playing more songs," I thought you were talking about playing more Def Leppard songs per day, not expanding the Def Leppard catalog while keeping the same amount of Def Leppard plays per day. I never proposed playing more Def Leppard each day, which is why I didn't understand your argument here.

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You've stated your same opinion of how HN should be programmed several times now. We understood you the first time.

NEXT!
I didn't think you understood me based on that "playing more Def Leppard songs will bring out whiners" comment, but as I just said, I think I misunderstood what you meant by that.

Anyway, this thread is specifically about the question of whether or not there's too much repetition on Hair Nation. It's a valid forum for voicing pros and cons about the station, as this is the specific topic of discussion. I will continue to feel free to voice my opinions here, regardless of whether or not you're ready for the "next!" opinion.
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Old 10-25-2005, 01:50 PM   #24
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Anyway, this thread is specifically about the question of whether or not there's too much repetition on Hair Nation. It's a valid forum for voicing pros and cons about the station, as this is the specific topic of discussion. I will continue to feel free to voice my opinions here, regardless of whether or not you're ready for the "next!" opinion.
True. And sending in requests for songs seems to be the correct way to fix it.
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Anyway, this thread is specifically about the question of whether or not there's too much repetition on Hair Nation. It's a valid forum for voicing pros and cons about the station, as this is the specific topic of discussion. I will continue to feel free to voice my opinions here, regardless of whether or not you're ready for the "next!" opinion.
True. And sending in requests for songs seems to be the correct way to fix it.
As I stated before , Dangerous Darren has played what I have requested. And, Tawn has played songs that people say Hair nation does not play!
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True. And sending in requests for songs seems to be the correct way to fix it.
You are absolutely right.

But the whiners prefer griping repeatedly about the problem, rather than using the simple and effective solution you mentioned.

Some people just love to hear themselves whine.
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As I stated before , Dangerous Darren has played what I have requested. And, Tawn has played songs that people say Hair nation does not play!
Whoop, dey it is!

They've also played my requests, in a reasonably timely manner.

I've also noticed that HN plays songs and bands that the gripers claim they don't.

Hair Nation, even with its minor faults, still blows away any FM 80's Rock channel on the planet.

But the whiners will continue to bitch about the 5% of what's wrong with it, rather than appreciate the 95% of what's right with it.
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True. And sending in requests for songs seems to be the correct way to fix it.
You are absolutely right.

But the whiners prefer griping repeatedly about the problem, rather than using the simple and effective solution you mentioned.

Some people just love to hear themselves whine.
I wish it were that simple.

Since I like to repeat myself, I'll repeat what I mentioned in another thread regarding song requests. Ever since "Big Rock" became "Hair Nation" almost two years ago, I have had only one song request played on Hair Nation that was not a part of the regular playlist. Tawn was kind enough to play Motley Crue's "On With the Show" for me, but I think that was over a year ago at this point. I've tried numerous times since then by emailing Kim, Tawn, and most recently Darren directly, but I haven't had any luck.

Additionally, individual song requests are not a cure for repetition. They're a point solution to possibly hear a song or two that aren't usually played. It's great to hear a request, but it doesn't help much when the remainder of the playlist is relatively small and infrequently updated. When I see the name "Twisted Sister" come up on my screen and know that the song will be either "We're Not Gonna Take It" or "I Wanna Rock" more than 50% of the time, or I see David Lee Roth's name come up and know the song will be "Just Like Paradise" or "Yankee Rose" more than 50% of the time, the programming becomes stale to my ears.
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"And the whine goes on, the whine goes on
Whiners keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da"

I hope the whiners realize I'm not even reading their long, repetitive posts anymore.

Am I the only one who has noticed that the whiners are many times more repetitive in their whining, than Sirius is with their song repetition etc.?

Talk about hypocrites!

If Sirius was as repetitious as the gripers who continually criticize it ad nauseum, NOBODY would subscribe!
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