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Old 10-25-2005, 08:10 PM   #31
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"And the whine goes on, the whine goes on
Whiners keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da"

I hope the whiners realize I'm not even reading their long, repetitive posts anymore.

Am I the only one who has noticed that the whiners are many times more repetitive in their whining, than Sirius is with their song repetition etc.?

Talk about hypocrites!

If Sirius was as repetitious as the gripers who continually criticize it ad nauseum, NOBODY would subscribe!
If you don't want to hear "whining," why read a thread entitled "hair nation too repetitive?" What do you expect to find on such a thread... nothing but compliments for the station? I came here to voice my opinion and perhaps see how others feel about the station. I don't expect everybody to agree with my opinion, but I do hope for some insightful dialog regarding the question. You tell me to change the channel if I don't like what I'm listening to. You can similarly choose to read a different thread if you don't like the direction this one has taken. If you're looking for nothing but positive reviews of the station, feel free to look at the repetitive threads such as "hair nation rocks" and "hair nation sounds great."

SBS is usually a great place to discuss the Sirius service and news, and open dialog on both the pro and con sides is welcome. Name calling is unnecessary and uncalled for.

If anybody would like to continue to discuss the original intent of this thread, feel free, as I would like to hear why others agree or disagree with my view of the station.
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Old 10-26-2005, 12:42 AM   #32
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I'm with ya man. They could, and should, play more songs by artists besides the top 5 best known songs or whatever. Hell, just take your 10-12 core hair nation artists, your Kisses, Bon Jovis, Def Lep, etc. and add 4 new songs by each into the rotation and spreading "Photograph" and "Livin on a Prayer" out a little more where they only play once a day instead of twice a day and that would take care of much of the repetition on this particular stream.
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If anybody would like to continue to discuss the original intent of this thread, feel free, as I would like to hear why others agree or disagree with my view of the station.
Many of us would love to continue discussing it, but the conversation is going nowhere because you keep presenting the exact same BS argument over and over and over.

With each successive post, you're bringing absolutely nothing new to the table except the same tired gripe.

I've explained several times now that Sirius can't win either way. If they do it your way, there are those who will complain that Sirius is playing too many Def Leppard songs. If they don't do it your way, you and those who agree with you will gripe until eternity about that.

Sirius's official slogan should be "Damned if we do, and damned if we don't."
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Old 10-26-2005, 08:07 AM   #34
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Many of us would love to continue discussing it, but the conversation is going nowhere because you keep presenting the exact same BS argument over and over and over.

With each successive post, you're bringing absolutely nothing new to the table except the same tired gripe.
Is this really the case? Why don't we briefly recap our conversation:

your post 1: HN repetition not bad - already saw comments about not enough Def Lep on HN
my post 1: explain how not enough Def Lep on HN comment was taken out of context; explain in general terms how I feel about HN repetition

your post 2: explain how other Def Lep songs are played on other stations; explain how increasing Def Lep songs can result in "whining"
my post 2: give a concrete example on how Def Lep playlist could possibly be modified to please people on both sides of the fence

your post 3: accuse me of whining, overstating my opinion, and bringing nothing new to the table; bring up the "change the channel" argument
my post 3: explain some cases where I misunderstood you; ask a question about your "change the channel" arugment regarding what makes one song a Hair Nation song as opposed to a Buzzsaw/Hard Attack song?

your post 4 (let's lump your 5 and 6 in here too): accuse me of whining; agree with others who stated that repetition can be solved through song requests; don't bitch about small percentage of what's wrong... appreciate large percentage of what's right
my post 4: explain how song requests off the current playlist have only worked for me once; explain how song requests are a point solution, and not a cure for general repetition issues

your post 7: accuse me of whining and being repetitive
my post 5: explain how this is a thread for voicing opinions about HN repetition; point out other threads for strictly pro-HN conversation;try to get thread back on track

your post 8: accuse me of whining and being repetitive; reiterate your argument about additional whining if Def Lep playlist is changed


Seems like most of your posts have focused on me whining, while I've at least attempted to answer some criticizims that were made to my arguments in each post. I've also attempted to remain civil through your name-calling, and will continue to do so.

Sorry to have to recap this discussion, but if you want to accuse me of repeating the same thing over and over, you might want to take a closer look at the path my posts and your posts have taken.

To get back on track again, here are some questions that I think would be interesting to discuss regarding the HN repetition issue:

1) Do you feel that HN is programmed more towards the casual 80's rock fan or the hardcore 80's rock fan? Do you feel that this is the right programming decision for the station? Why?
2) Do you feel that HN's programming is geared more towards the short-term or long-term listener (e.g. daily commuter, extensive home/office listener, etc)? Do you feel that this is the correct programming decision for the station? Why?
3) Should HN programming remain largely hit-based as it is, or is there a potential solution that could make both hit-focused and deep-focused listeners satisfied?
4) Do you think more special programs can help lessen the feeling of repetition, or do you disagree with putting special programs on Hair Nation? Right now, we have "Guitar Gods" and "Sunset Strip Snack." What other special programming would you like to see that could help the programming remain fresh?
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Go get a roady, listen to the Boneyard for a month on Xm and then you will appreciate Hair nation!
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Go get a roady, listen to the Boneyard for a month on Xm and then you will appreciate Hair nation!
Amen, brother!

You hit the nail on the head.

The whiners will never be satisfied, so they need to run along and play with their iPods and CDs.

HAIR NATION FREAKIN' ROCKS!
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Go get a roady, listen to the Boneyard for a month on Xm and then you will appreciate Hair nation!
Amen, brother!

You hit the nail on the head.

The whiners will never be satisfied, so they need to run along and play with their iPods and CDs.

HAIR NATION FREAKIN' ROCKS!
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I subscribe to both Sirius and XM... Sirius for 3 years, XM for two. Boneyard is by #1 preset on XM, while Hair Nation is my #2 preset on Sirius (after Buzzsaw). Both get a lot of my listening time, but I spend more time listening to Boneyard. It's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison since Hair Nation is singularly focused on Hair Bands and Boneyard is not (it's more of a Hair Nation/Buzzsaw/Hard Attack mix). I think that the less-focused Boneyard mix is pretty good though, which is why it gets more of my listening time.

I also have a Dell DJ and Yahoo Music Unlimited (excellent, cheap service, by the way) for times when I want the really deep stuff. I loaded up 30 gigs of hard rock albums, but I still prefer the spontaneity of radio over the random song-shuffle of the mp3 player, so I usually try my Sirius or XM before resorting to the mp3.
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Yahoo Music is fixing to double their annual subscription price, effective November 1st. The price will go from 60 to a 120 bucks for a prepaid annual subscription.

So if anybody is interested in signing up at the old price, they've only got a few days left.
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Go get a roady, listen to the Boneyard for a month on Xm and then you will appreciate Hair nation!
Amen, brother!

You hit the nail on the head.

The whiners will never be satisfied, so they need to run along and play with their iPods and CDs.

HAIR NATION FREAKIN' ROCKS!
I will wear your scarlet "W" with pride

I subscribe to both Sirius and XM... Sirius for 3 years, XM for two. Boneyard is by #1 preset on XM, while Hair Nation is my #2 preset on Sirius (after Buzzsaw). Both get a lot of my listening time, but I spend more time listening to Boneyard. It's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison since Hair Nation is singularly focused on Hair Bands and Boneyard is not (it's more of a Hair Nation/Buzzsaw/Hard Attack mix). I think that the less-focused Boneyard mix is pretty good though, which is why it gets more of my listening time.

I also have a Dell DJ and Yahoo Music Unlimited (excellent, cheap service, by the way) for times when I want the really deep stuff. I loaded up 30 gigs of hard rock albums, but I still prefer the spontaneity of radio over the random song-shuffle of the mp3 player, so I usually try my Sirius or XM before resorting to the mp3.
I could only get into about 40% of the Boneyards music. I remember one week I heard that song by Great white "wooden jesus" like 4 times! And people complain about Hair nation being repeat nation??
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I could only get into about 40% of the Boneyards music. I remember one week I heard that song by Great white "wooden jesus" like 4 times! And people complain about Hair nation being repeat nation??
Fair enough... no station is going to be perfect for everybody. Boneyard's not perfect for me either, but I find its mix more enjoyable than Hair Nation, mainly because I find it less predictable. I listen to Boneyard a lot, and they still manage to play a lot of songs from major bands that surprise me. That's one of the things I enjoy about radio... the element of surprise... but I get that a lot less with Hair Nation.

I agree with you that Boneyard repeats some songs as well. "Wooden Jesus" is a good example of that. But the main difference to me is that the song is still good, I didn't hear it hundreds of times before on FM radio or my own cd's, and it's not played every single day. For those reasons, eventhough it's still repeated, I don't feel "burned out" on it. You listen to Hair Nation for many hours a day, and I'm sure you can point out a bunch of songs that you hear every day. These are probably the most recognizeable songs of the era. Maybe that's what you prefer, and that's cool! But for me, eventhough these songs are still great, I've heard them so many times that they lose a bit of their luster. If they dug a little deeper and cut back a little bit on the heavy hit rotation, I think the hits would become much more enjoyable for me again.
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I could only get into about 40% of the Boneyards music. I remember one week I heard that song by Great white "wooden jesus" like 4 times! And people complain about Hair nation being repeat nation??
Fair enough... no station is going to be perfect for everybody. Boneyard's not perfect for me either, but I find its mix more enjoyable than Hair Nation, mainly because I find it less predictable. I listen to Boneyard a lot, and they still manage to play a lot of songs from major bands that surprise me. That's one of the things I enjoy about radio... the element of surprise... but I get that a lot less with Hair Nation.

I agree with you that Boneyard repeats some songs as well. "Wooden Jesus" is a good example of that. But the main difference to me is that the song is still good, I didn't hear it hundreds of times before on FM radio or my own cd's, and it's not played every single day. For those reasons, eventhough it's still repeated, I don't feel "burned out" on it. You listen to Hair Nation for many hours a day, and I'm sure you can point out a bunch of songs that you hear every day. These are probably the most recognizeable songs of the era. Maybe that's what you prefer, and that's cool! But for me, eventhough these songs are still great, I've heard them so many times that they lose a bit of their luster. If they dug a little deeper and cut back a little bit on the heavy hit rotation, I think the hits would become much more enjoyable for me again.
Thats what is nice about sat radio, there is always something for every taste!
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I agree... and for my taste XM could not meet my listening flavor but found Sirius to be exactly what I was hungry for with Hair Nation.

The rock songs on Hair Nation are those rock song I enjoyed listening to on my favorite rock stations of the 80's. Back then the same song would play once every 45 minutes.

Today with Hair Nation I get those same favorite rock songs played from a 10-13 year span, at least once a day and many twice a day. This is what I want, this is what XM could_not_deliver, this is what I listen to 4-9 hours a day with Hair Nation.

These are my favorite songs I would place on repeat over and over back in the 80's. Though Hair Nation doesn't follow the exact repeat rotation I use to listen for, its nice having a channel recognizing the main stream rock hits of the 80's without the "B" cuts being played most of the time.

I always said you can_not_compair_Hair Nation to Boneyard. These are two different rock formats. Hair Nation tailors to the top 80's early 90's main stream rock hits while Boneyard focuses mostly on songs barely hitting the top 50 billiard charts. Nothing at all wrong with that approach... Just is not mine or many others.

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Today with Hair Nation I get those same favorite rock songs played from a 10-13 year span, at least once a day and many twice a day. This is what I want, this is what XM could_not_deliver, this is what I listen to 4-9 hours a day with Hair Nation.
Good point. If you want the hairband hits, you've definitely come to the right place.

The subject of repetition is extremely subjective, and there's no wrong or right answer. For my listening style, nothing but the hits once or twice a day is a bit much. For others, such as yourself, the formula works very well.

My "back in the day" 80's rock experience was largely based on Kim Mulligan's old stomping grounds... WSOU out of Seton Hall University in NJ. It was a great station that played all different types of rock from the 80's. They'd play stuff from:

-big hairbands, both the hits and the deep cuts
-dime-a-dozen hairbands from the late 80's when the market was getting saturated (Tigertailz, Slik Toxic, Valentine, Roxx Gang, Banshee, etc)
-slightly heavier bands like Manowar and Crimson Glory
-metal bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Biohazard
-thrashier bands like Overkill and Testament

It was a great representation of 80's rock, and I'd love to find a station exactly like it. Boneyard is closer to that mix for me, which is probably why I prefer it... it's closer to what I grew up with.

If Sirius ever gets more bandwidth, maybe they can offer a station like "The Vault" for 80's rock. I'd have a new #1 preset
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Today with Hair Nation I get those same favorite rock songs played from a 10-13 year span, at least once a day and many twice a day. This is what I want, this is what XM could_not_deliver, this is what I listen to 4-9 hours a day with Hair Nation.
Good point. If you want the hairband hits, you've definitely come to the right place.

The subject of repetition is extremely subjective, and there's no wrong or right answer. For my listening style, nothing but the hits once or twice a day is a bit much. For others, such as yourself, the formula works very well.

My "back in the day" 80's rock experience was largely based on Kim Mulligan's old stomping grounds... WSOU out of Seton Hall University in NJ. It was a great station that played all different types of rock from the 80's. They'd play stuff from:

-big hairbands, both the hits and the deep cuts
-dime-a-dozen hairbands from the late 80's when the market was getting saturated (Tigertailz, Slik Toxic, Valentine, Roxx Gang, Banshee, etc)
-slightly heavier bands like Manowar and Crimson Glory
-metal bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Biohazard
-thrashier bands like Overkill and Testament

It was a great representation of 80's rock, and I'd love to find a station exactly like it. Boneyard is closer to that mix for me, which is probably why I prefer it... it's closer to what I grew up with.

If Sirius ever gets more bandwidth, maybe they can offer a station like "The Vault" for 80's rock. I'd have a new #1 preset
Im all for more 80's music, metal to just plain rock!
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Today with Hair Nation I get those same favorite rock songs played from a 10-13 year span, at least once a day and many twice a day. This is what I want, this is what XM could_not_deliver, this is what I listen to 4-9 hours a day with Hair Nation.
Good point. If you want the hairband hits, you've definitely come to the right place.

The subject of repetition is extremely subjective, and there's no wrong or right answer. For my listening style, nothing but the hits once or twice a day is a bit much. For others, such as yourself, the formula works very well.

My "back in the day" 80's rock experience was largely based on Kim Mulligan's old stomping grounds... WSOU out of Seton Hall University in NJ. It was a great station that played all different types of rock from the 80's. They'd play stuff from:

-big hairbands, both the hits and the deep cuts
-dime-a-dozen hairbands from the late 80's when the market was getting saturated (Tigertailz, Slik Toxic, Valentine, Roxx Gang, Banshee, etc)
-slightly heavier bands like Manowar and Crimson Glory
-metal bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Biohazard
-thrashier bands like Overkill and Testament

It was a great representation of 80's rock, and I'd love to find a station exactly like it. Boneyard is closer to that mix for me, which is probably why I prefer it... it's closer to what I grew up with.

If Sirius ever gets more bandwidth, maybe they can offer a station like "The Vault" for 80's rock. I'd have a new #1 preset
Sounds like a rock version of Super Shuffle. I'd hate for that to be my only option, like on XM.
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