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Old 10-22-2005, 11:14 AM   #1
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LOC continues to be a let down. I have been so spoiled over the years by college radio in Boston. But since college stations are not on 24 hours a day and their signals can be weak, I figured satellite radio was a great decision after reading the ads for LOC.
Now I realize it's just a little more than a poor man's "Alt Nation." Other Sirius channels are very genre specific like "Underground," and it's programmed by real music insiders like Little Steven, Andrew Loog Oldham and Marky Ramone. Even Shade45 has Eninem at it's helm. WHy can't Sirius offer a REAL genre specific independent music channel programmed by independent artists for a change? I guarantee you wouldn't be hearing The White Stripes ad nauseam, or even Oasis! (I swear to God, Oasis is played regularly by the adult comtemporary FM stations here in Boston!!)
THere are literally mountians of new music out there from all over the world that I thought I was going to be privledged to hear on a station like LOC. Please take some chances Sirius.....satellite radio has so much potential to be so cutting edge.....not everything has to be "hip" and "cool," or the flavor of the month. I have 6 months to go on my year long subscription. I hope you suprise me soon.....thanx, John
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Old 10-22-2005, 03:13 PM   #2
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I think this might be the next stream to go, I listened to it and was not impressed. Not like my local college stations (like KCSU in Fort Collins that blows LOC away!), if it's not eliminated, it's needs a serious revamp.
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Why not write LOC's program director and let him know how you feel, and what sort of music you'd like to hear...

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Sure, it's not perfect, but it's pretty good for what it is. Where else are you going to hear Ted Leo, My Morning Jacket, Spoon, Sufjan Stevens or the New Pornographers? Not on Alt Nation. As far as Oasis, I listen to LOC every day and have only heard Oasis played a handful of times, mostly around when the new record came out a few months back. Besides, most people who listen to indie rock are big fans of britpop, a genre ruled (for better or worse) by early Oasis, so I'm sure a lot of LOC listeners were at least curious to hear some of the new album.
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Why not write LOC's program director and let him know how you feel, and what sort of music you'd like to hear...

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It hasn't worked up to this point, just do away with the stream and introduce it under a new/more college-radio like name and format later (ala soundscapes).
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Old 10-24-2005, 10:32 PM   #6
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I mean, it probably won't work, I know. Pappy's formula of taking the CMJ top 40 chart and mixing it with a never-changing 200-song catalog list, is just about the most boring approach you could possibly take with this channel. Especially the pound-only-one-song-into-submission tack.

I mean, given bandwith limitations, I don't expect Godspeed You Black Emperor side projects all the time, I expect to hear lots of New Pornos and Bloc Party and such, but I think it'd be a fine channel if there was just a little element of spontanaity, if you might hear, I don't know, "Mass Romantic" just once instead of "Twin Cinema", just something totally wild and crazy like that. Different catalog tracks once in a long while. It goes a long way...
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I think jandek described the problem with this station very well. It lacks anything spontaneous at all and this is a key element of college/indie stations. And I get very tired of the same songs over and over.

But I don't think that it needs to be eliminated just improved.
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I mean, it probably won't work, I know. Pappy's formula of taking the CMJ top 40 chart and mixing it with a never-changing 200-song catalog list, is just about the most boring approach you could possibly take with this channel. Especially the pound-only-one-song-into-submission tack.

I mean, given bandwith limitations, I don't expect Godspeed You Black Emperor side projects all the time, I expect to hear lots of New Pornos and Bloc Party and such, but I think it'd be a fine channel if there was just a little element of spontanaity, if you might hear, I don't know, "Mass Romantic" just once instead of "Twin Cinema", just something totally wild and crazy like that. Different catalog tracks once in a long while. It goes a long way...
Precisely the problem with LOC. I like the artists that they play, but they have to broaden the playlist. How about "Merchants of Soul" from Gimme Fiction, for example. Like Jandek says, go crazy. It wouldn't be too hard to do.
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I mean, it probably won't work, I know. Pappy's formula of taking the CMJ top 40 chart and mixing it with a never-changing 200-song catalog list, is just about the most boring approach you could possibly take with this channel. Especially the pound-only-one-song-into-submission tack.

I mean, given bandwith limitations, I don't expect Godspeed You Black Emperor side projects all the time, I expect to hear lots of New Pornos and Bloc Party and such, but I think it'd be a fine channel if there was just a little element of spontanaity, if you might hear, I don't know, "Mass Romantic" just once instead of "Twin Cinema", just something totally wild and crazy like that. Different catalog tracks once in a long while. It goes a long way...
This is the one problem I have with the channel - they play the right bands, but limit the songs. The usual response by programmers is that radio is a format where familiarity is key. But, who is listening to LOC that wouldn't be familiar with every song on the new Spoon album, not just MMM, which, weirdly, is probably the least accesssible song on the album?
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I think it'd be a fine channel if there was just a little element of spontanaity
That's it exactly. The most frustrating thing about LOC is that I know that on any given day I'm listening, there is no chance that I will hear anything surprising outside of the Cosmic Commander, and it seems like he's hardly ever on anymore. I just don't feel like I am being broadcast to...which is one of the prime pleasures of radio, an element of surprise and being "live". It's frustating enough that they so severely limit the number of tracks by good artists, but the narrow scope of artists that do get played is just as disappointing. We never hear anything like Sebadoh, Shellac, Jesus Lizard, rarely anything by Dinosaur Jr other than Just Like Heaven and Freak Scene, only a handful of tracks from My Morning Jacket's great catalog....the list goes on and on and on.

Play the CMJ hits, sure, but MIX UP THE CATALOG STUFF. Hundreds and hundreds of Guided By Voices songs and they hammer Useless Inventions into the ground? Nothing from Greg Dulli's new album?! The really aggravating thing is it would be so easy to fix for anyone with a love of 80s-90s indie and college radio stuff. I'm not a huge metal fan but I have a pretty good knowledge of it and Hard Attack seems to have it right - it's a shame LOC can't follow that template.
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Glad you guys agree. You're right, MuteSuperstar, there's no reason why the catalog tracks need to be so limited in number.

The best I can come up with is that Sirius suits have put down an extreme mandate on the number of unique songs played. No more than 300 unique songs on LOC, or possibly a little more. The thing is, surely this is for a certain time period and not all time, as new songs are added and others rotated out. So it doesn't explain why different catalog tracks can't be rotated in over time. Unless the memo says "no new catalog tracks EVER, or your head!" Can that really be true?

I am curious, if someone had the time or ability to export and analyze Song Seek data on the number of unqiue tracks over a few month period across several streams. Does LOC have more or fewer unique tracks than other genre streams like UG, Hard Attack, etc. Is this problem LOC-based or do all streams basically work under the same crushing mandates?

The worst thing about this stream is, that it is essentially unqiue. XM has XMU, which is equally infuriating to the indie listener in that it will not play songs older than 18 months (occasionally they'll slip, but 99% of the time, they won't). LOC is the only satellite source for older indie rock (the same ones, forever and ever.)
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XM has XMU, which is equally infuriating to the indie listener in that it will not play songs older than 18 months (occasionally they'll slip, but 99% of the time, they won't).
Another infuriating thing about XMU is that their selection of current music and artists is terrible. They don't seem to have their finger on the pulse of the current indie scene.
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:42 AM   #13
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I agree but disagree. Sure LOC can be improved... you can say that about any channel on Sirius. But for me, living in conservative Cincinnati Ohio, it's a godsend for the alt/indie/college fan. Theres nothing on FM in this area that can even come close.
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I agree but disagree. Sure LOC can be improved... you can say that about any channel on Sirius. But for me, living in conservative Cincinnati Ohio, it's a godsend for the alt/indie/college fan. Theres nothing on FM in this area that can even come close.
You're right, any station can be improved. I think LOC is especially problematic, though, because the extremely limited playlists and crushing repetition are in direct opposition to the nature of the genre it covers. Indie music is about diversity, passion, eclecticism, deep love for the music; it's not about just wanting to hear one "single" over and over and over and over, mindlessly. LOC puts a top-40 mentality on a genre that is the diametric opposite of top-40 music.
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I agree but disagree. Sure LOC can be improved... you can say that about any channel on Sirius. But for me, living in conservative Cincinnati Ohio, it's a godsend for the alt/indie/college fan. Theres nothing on FM in this area that can even come close.
You're right, any station can be improved. I think LOC is especially problematic, though, because the extremely limited playlists and crushing repetition are in direct opposition to the nature of the genre it covers. Indie music is about diversity, passion, eclecticism, deep love for the music; it's not about just wanting to hear one "single" over and over and over and over, mindlessly. LOC puts a top-40 mentality on a genre that is the diametric opposite of top-40 music.
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