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Old 11-07-2005, 01:58 AM   #16
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Do they play the Donnas and other Our Lady of Peace songs like "innocent and Clumsy"? They need to put in more older hits as well as more 90's hits too. Add this with the new stuff they all ready play and alt nation would be really off the hook!!!! There are so much hits that they don't play. I'm not asking to be obscure like Ethel, but just add older hits to the mix. What about Stroke 9 "Little black back pack" for example?
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Old 11-07-2005, 04:26 AM   #17
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21 | ALT NATION
ALTERNATIVE ROCK

The latest alternative rock releases and the best alt-rock of the '90s.


It's not that I don't like the format that alt.nation currently has, but it would be much better if they rotated more alt-rock from the 90s into their playlists.

I'll let you slide on the Bangles comment since someone else hammered you on it, but an exciting time for music while mentioning Fallout Boy and the Rejects? Eh, to each their own.
I know a lot of you think you know alternative from the grunge era or the 80s Depeche Mode or Cure era. Alternative started with the punk era and then the power pop era of the late 70s early 80s. The Knack, The Romantics The Bangles The Go-Gos were a huge part of the power pop era. Don't judge a music era that you probably never even experienced. Yes there are power pop bands like All American Rejects and Fall Out Boy that remind me of that power pop era. Alternative didn't start with grunge and it didn't begin with The Cure either. The Sex Pistols were one of the first influential alternative bands. I love the history of alternative music. Most of the fans unfortunately don't even know about it.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:18 AM   #18
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Does Alt Nation play The Donnas, Stroke 9,...and other hit bands and songs? Don't get me wrong, I love Alt Nation way better than Ethel but they need to play the older hit songs as opposed to the brand new stuff over and over all the time. If they can blend in older hits with the new, Alt would be an even better station. I'm not asking to get obscure like Ethel, but just throw in more 90's hits up to today into the mix. Being at XM for two years, I can say Ethel does do a good job mixing it up, but they go too deep most of the time and play stuff that would only belong on "Left of Center". That is my only flaw about 21 so far but other than this, I'm loving the personality and hearing the newer hits.
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:02 PM   #19
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I know a lot of you think you know alternative from the grunge era or the 80s Depeche Mode or Cure era. Alternative started with the punk era and then the power pop era of the late 70s early 80s. The Knack, The Romantics The Bangles The Go-Gos were a huge part of the power pop era. Don't judge a music era that you probably never even experienced. Yes there are power pop bands like All American Rejects and Fall Out Boy that remind me of that power pop era. Alternative didn't start with grunge and it didn't begin with The Cure either. The Sex Pistols were one of the first influential alternative bands. I love the history of alternative music. Most of the fans unfortunately don't even know about it.
Jesus, yes, we remember what f---ing power pop was, and it was not the only influence on alt music; and not a band you list above was punk. Because the Go-Gos were featured in "Ugh, a Music War," doesn't mean they were punk. It sounds to me like *you* were never exposed to a lot of underground music that came out after 1983 (or before 1979), the stuff that was never on commercial radio (just the low power college stations, or the SoCal 91X type thing).

An example of your flawed argument: while the Cure hit commercial radio in the later 80s, they were making music back in the later 70s, before the Go-Gos, the Knack or the Bangles got their number one hits. Further, the Cure were spun from Siouxsie and the Banshees, contemporaries of the Sex Pistols, who in essence were only calculated followers of early-to-mid 70s punk in the form of the New York Dolls and the Stooges, which really follows back to David Bowie and Velvet Underground era, which goes back into the 60s with the Who and the Beatles (especially when they did drugs). Come on dude, get a grip with the power pop tirade - a mere sliver in the annals of alt music. The neo-punk and power-pop you gush over are just re-treads of re-treads, no different from any other influencer/ees.

Furthermore, Sirius ignores a big part of that genre by ignoring late 80s to mid 90s alt / indie / college / grunge. Why is it significant? New Wave as it had been was obliterated by the 80s corporate FM formula music (like what the Bangles did when they went from 'Hero Takes a Fall' to 'Walk Like An Egyptian' and 'Eternal Flame' - my GOD man). Hence, the alternative concept disappeared from public view and bubbled under on the college radio formats.

It took some very new and unique music to come out and make a new impact, and that impact hasn't been matched since. Too bad Sirius ignores so much of that music.
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:04 PM   #20
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As a dual subscriber that is all about the alternative 90's, I will admit that I turn channels much less on sirius than I do with XM. Maybe that is because they have one less channel, and thus less choice. I find music to my liking oftentimes on 22, but since I moved the XM out of the car and only have sirius in the car, I find myself listening to my CD changer more often as I can't find anything. I find myself enjoying first wave, other than that "Bile spewing hag", and not so much enjoyment with alt nation. I don't know or care about the current "alt hits". I still prefer XM's FRED44/ETHEL47/LUCY54 , even though it means turning channels more often. It really is a much larger selection of what I like. I agree that sirius ignores a good part of the music that I prefer... I agree with the Farve fan
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:26 PM   #21
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I agree that they should play more of the earlier alternative music as well. They should have a grunge hour every evening. They could even have an entire station that just plays music from Seattle in the early 90s.
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:19 AM   #22
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I guess nobody here realizes that what made WLIR and KROQ great was NEW MUSIC FIRST. Thats one of the biggest aspects of modern rock radio. One of the biggest aspects of alternative rock period. NEW NEW NEW. I love the sonic slingshot. LIR used to break out new bands constantly. Looks like Alt Nation is starting to with She Want's Revenge and Morningwood.

Personally I think Alt Nation is better than WLIR ever was. I love the new power pop scene. It reminds me of The Knack and The Go-Gos in the 80s. I just wish they would have a club night. My wife and I met at Malibu dancing to WLIR's simulcast every Saturday Night.
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I think many people forget as well that the alternative scene in the 90s was not even half as large as the scene was in the 80s. There was a big dropoff in fan interest as well as a huge dropoff in the number of successful alternative bands. A lot of fans love grunge but is was nowhere near as successful as new wave was. I think thats why the 90s doesn't have its own channel and why there is a de-emphasis on Alt Nation. The hope is current alternative rock can grow to be as successful as the 80s was. I have high hopes for an Alternative music revival.
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I think many people forget as well that the alternative scene in the 90s was not even half as large as the scene was in the 80s.
That's a pretty bold statement there!

Remember that in the late 80s, with bands like Janes Addiction and Faith No More, the term "alternative rock" started becoming synonymous with hard rock. By the time 1992 came around, bands who were clearly influence by hard rock and heavy metal (Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots) were thrown into the "alternative rock" label. Ricki Rachman was interviewing bands like Nirvana and the Butthole Surfers on the Headbangers Ball. Green Day, The Offspring, and Rancid were crossing over a couple years later. Of the new music played on Octane 20, it's pretty obvious these bands were heavily influenced by this era.

There are a lot of us who grew up with this music, and would love a station dedicated to it. It would be great for Octane and Alt Nation to become current intensive (and open up their playlists), and give the 90s rock to it's own station. Time won't stand still to prevent music from evolving.
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I think many people forget as well that the alternative scene in the 90s was not even half as large as the scene was in the 80s.
That's a pretty bold statement there!
Basically if you look at the radio stations that were alternative in the 80s and 90s they lost over half their ratings in the 90s. A lot of you are too young to remember the 80s new wave scene. It was the single largest music scene that I have ever experienced. I know you guys love grunge. A lot of people do. Its no where near the amount of people (or bands for that matter) that experienced and were addicted to the new wave 80s which happens to still live on today in the club scene and of course on First Wave. I am not putting down Grunge or 90s alternative. Some great music and bands. It just wasn't as big a scene as New Wave.

I have very high hopes for the future of alternative rock. I think we are heading back to the huge scene that began in the 80s. Its just the start.
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There are a lot of us who grew up with this music, and would love a station dedicated to it. It would be great for Octane and Alt Nation to become current intensive (and open up their playlists), and give the 90s rock to it's own station. Time won't stand still to prevent music from evolving.
Hey I hope you guys get your wish. maybe in a few years when we move into 2010 or so the 90s alternative will get its own station and Alt Nation will be just 2000 and forward alternative. You never know?

Nobody can put down bands like Nirvana or Green Day for their huge influence on music. The 90s had great alternative too; But New Wave was the biggest scene I have witnessed by far.
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Your points are very well taken. You say new wave was the biggest scene you have witnessed. Obviously both XM and Sirius feel it was a large scene too, since they have stations decided entirely to the format. Also a lot of the new bands heard on Alt Nation are obviously strongly influenced by new wave, as you have mentioned.

Yet on the same note, there are a lot of new bands heavily influence by 90s Grunge and Alternative... just turn onto Octane 20 to hear them. For those of us who grew up in the 90s, this era of music is the biggest scene we've known. Some of us may even remember when the local hits station would play Nirvana, Soundgarden, and STP.

Of course we have to have faith that Sirius... or XM for that matter... will realize this enough to give the era it's own channel eventually.
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Old 11-21-2005, 10:33 AM   #28
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Here's an idea. What if Sirius were to have a station like "Ethel" on XM that plays 90's up to today with deeper cuts of course and then leave Alt Nation with just the new rock? I know there would be some overlapping, but that happens with other stations anyway. Think about it. Country has "New Country" which would be Alt Nation (playing the newest stuff) and the other country station (the one that plays the 90's up to today) which would be the "Ethel" like rock station. What do you guys think of this? Just a thought.
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It's a good idea. The problem I see with combining 90s and today's music even further is that rock music of tomorrow will only become less and less directly derivative of the 90s as times goes on. I already feel this way when I hear Smashing Pumpkins into Ill Nino on Octane... or Bush into the Gorillaz on Alt Nation.

Lucy on XM combines the "alternative hits" of both the 80s and 90s. While it's a decent station for what it's meant to be, I have a problem hearing "Life In A Northern Town" followed by Alice In Chains.

Some of us don't mind the genre-mixing. Some of us came to Sirius to escape it.
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For me, the good or bad of mixing of the genres depends on the genre. Core classic rock from the 60's, 70's and 80's works for me, while mixing of alternative from the 80s and 90s doesn't. That's why I'm fine with one hits-based classic rock station like Top Tracks, but way prefer First Wave over Lucy.
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