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Old 10-22-2005, 05:29 PM   #1
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Haven't listen to Alt Nation in weeks, so finally tuned in again and it hasn't changed one bit. Alt Nation 21 has so much potential yet it's terrible (IMO). Way too repetitive, too much emphasis on the new rock scene.

Wish Alt Nation would go deeper into the early alternative/grunge era (Alice in Chains, Hole, Mudhoney, Smashing Pumpkins, early No Doubt & Soundgarden, deeper Sublime) of the early to mid 90s.

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Old 10-23-2005, 01:26 AM   #2
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Wouldnt what you are looking for be First Wave? From what I understand Sirius uses alt nation to play more new alternative. Where as the point of First Wave is to play EXACTLY what you want in the way of older alternative.
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Wouldnt what you are looking for be First Wave? From what I understand Sirius uses alt nation to play more new alternative. Where as the point of First Wave is to play EXACTLY what you want in the way of older alternative.
No, he said early alternative/grunge era, which would be the early 90's stuff.

And I agree 100%. Alt Nation seems to think its a top 40 FM station playing only the alt rock hits that terrestrial radio plays. Whenever they [hopefully] fix this censorship issue, playing some deeper cuts should be next on the agenda. Or at least give us another Alt Rock channel...there's just too much good stuff not being played.
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Wouldnt what you are looking for be First Wave? From what I understand Sirius uses alt nation to play more new alternative. Where as the point of First Wave is to play EXACTLY what you want in the way of older alternative.
No, First Wave is labeled as "classic alternative" which does NOT play the early grunge era of the early/mid '90s. First Wave plays the classic stuff of the late '70s to the end of the '80s. I want my 90's alternative which Alt Nation should be playing but they don't.

Ethel does this, exactly, however I want Sirius for my rock since I think they do a better job, aside from Alt Nation & Octane. Ethel, Lucy, and Squizz do a much better job. Ethel balances out the older stuff with the newer stuff very good and it isn't as as obscure as it was 4-5 months ago.
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XM does go deeper into Alternative music. I like Sirius better, though.

Get a Roady2 and check them out. I think you'll like there Alternative better. I'll stick with Alt Nation.
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Haven't listen to Alt Nation in weeks, so finally tuned in again and it hasn't changed one bit. Alt Nation 21 has so much potential yet it's terrible (IMO). Way too repetitive, too much emphasis on the new rock scene.

Wish Alt Nation would go deeper into the early alternative/grunge era (Alice in Chains, Hole, Mudhoney, Smashing Pumpkins, early No Doubt & Soundgarden, deeper Sublime) of the early to mid 90s.

And when is Madison leaving?
I definitely agree...either play more of this stuff on Alt Nation or come up with another channel for 90's focused alternative. Problem with Alt Nation and Octane, even if you happen to hear a song from one of the bands mentioned above you can pretty much narrow it down to which of the 5-10 songs from each band that it will be...if that many. I don't need to hear obscure songs all the time...but when all a station plays are a bands past singles it gets old pretty fast. Especially when just about every track on every album from most of these bands is quality stuff...so you can pretty much just take all their songs, throw a dart and play whatever it hits.

I can see that there is probably plenty of demand for an Alt Nation style channel since lots of people are used to that kind of station on terrestrial...but I think there are a huge group of people who would be interested in a 90's focused alt channel that plays deeper cuts from the 90's alternative scene.

Not sure if it will help any...but I've been writing to Sirius through their customer care at www.sirius.com every month or so letting them know my feelings about Alt Nation and the need for a new channel that plays deeper alternative cuts from the 90's. So if you feel the same way definitely wouldn't hurt to drop them an email every once in awhile.

http://www.sirius.com/servlet/Conten...=1112908249913
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Totally disagree. Alternative Rock is supposed to be about new music first. The more current the better. I absolutely love listening to Alt Nation. It reminds me of when I first starting listening to LIR in the 80s. LIR was all about "new music first" back then. Everything was new! I enjoy First Wave for LIR nostalgia but Alt Nation is where alternative music is heading. Awesome station. And Madison is my favorite host by far.

PS - The Killers, Fall Out Boy, All American Rejects etc remind me of the very early 80s power pop movement at the very beginning of alternative breaking big 25 years ago - The Knack, Romantics, Go-Gos, Bangles etc. Its a very exciting time for alternative today.
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Totally disagree. Alternative Rock is supposed to be about new music first. The more current the better. I absolutely love listening to Alt Nation. It reminds me of when I first starting listening to LIR in the 80s. LIR was all about "new music first" back then. Everything was new! I enjoy First Wave for LIR nostalgia but Alt Nation is where alternative music is heading. Awesome station. And Madison is my favorite host by far.

PS - The Killers, Fall Out Boy, All American Rejects etc remind me of the very early 80s power pop movement at the very beginning of alternative breaking big 25 years ago - The Knack, Romantics, Go-Gos, Bangles etc. Its a very exciting time for alternative today.
Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly enough. I wasn't saying that I thought Alt Nation should be reformatted...but more that there is a need for an Alt station that plays more stuff from the 90's with a deeper playlist. There is definitely a need to have a station focusing mainly on newer alt/rock music. But they have 60's, 70's and 80's rock stations...why not a 90's focused rock station? I'm pretty sure there would be plenty of demand since people who grew up in this era are probably some of the early adopters of satellite radio.

Alt Nation and Octane play some stuff from that era...but they barely scratch the surface and are way too repetitive when they play bands from this era.

On a sidenote...I don't dislike the newer music on Alt Nation. I just wish their playlist wasn't so repetitive.
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That Madison is your favorite host already speaks to the huge gulf between us, but I will try not to let that further color my opinion of your response. We must agree to disagree that she's a bile forming hag.

The fallacy in your argument is that Alt Nation is actually playing alternative music when they play "new music." Think about the word alternative. The Killers? Sure I like them, and so does my 9 year-old niece who loves Jessica Simpson too. The corporate rock the record companies call Alternative hasn't been Alternative since about 1996, and it belongs on Hits 1.

Left of Center seems to make the occassional effort to do alt-indie. but gets caught in the repetition trap too much for me to sing loud praises.

If you want to throw Sonic Youth in with the Go-Gos on First Wave, well, I guess you're entitled, however misguided that is, but... come on man, the Bangles? Did you seriously couch the Bangles in with a discussion about alternative music? That's just f*ckd up.
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Perhaps some of you are not old enough to remember the beginnings of the alternative movement - the punk/ power pop era of the late 70s and early 80s. It was in direct response to the horrible disco era of the time. And yes the the power pop LA bands - The Knack, Blondie, the Go-Gos etc were all over the top 40 charts. In fact My Sharona hitting number 1 marked the end to the disco era according to most. Popularity or lack of popularity has nothing to do with whether rock is alternative or not. The kids love the Killers and My Chemical Romance. I think thats awesome.


A lot of us are in love with the music we grew up with. I love the new wave 80s. Many of the people in that era laughed at our music and said 60s music was the real thing. Now people who loved the New Wave 80s laugh at today's alternative rock music. Not me. I love First Wave and Alt Nation. Long live Alternative Music! Alt Nation is MY FAVORITE!
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Perhaps some of you are not old enough to remember the beginnings of the alternative movement - the punk/ power pop era of the late 70s and early 80s. It was in direct response to the horrible disco era of the time. And yes the the power pop LA bands - The Knack, Blondie, the Go-Gos etc were all over the top 40 charts. In fact My Sharona hitting number 1 marked the end to the disco era according to most. Popularity or lack of popularity has nothing to do with whether rock is alternative or not. The kids love the Killers and My Chemical Romance. I think thats awesome.

A lot of us are in love with the music we grew up with. I love the new wave 80s. Many of the people in that era laughed at our music and said 60s music was the real thing. Now people who loved the New Wave 80s laugh at today's alternative rock music. Not me. I love First Wave and Alt Nation. Long live Alternative Music! Alt Nation is MY FAVORITE!

I was just barely old enough to use my tennis racket as a guitar, singing along to my worn out Beauty and the Beat LP. There is a soft spot in my heart for New Wave, always will be.

BUT, I'm also young enough that I didn't call the Pixies, Throwing Muses, PJ Harvey and Dinosaur Jr, "New Wave." That genre was influential before the liberal application of the word alternative to everything new, but way past the point when the Police released a painful "radio-friendly" version of "Don't Stand So Close To Me," and I believe it was that day, New Wave was strangled to death.

Sirius ignores this late 80s/into the 90s indie-altie genre, and lumping it in with First Wave is a ridiculous notion.

And yes, of couse, we all know that power-pop retro was trendy last year.

And thank god you removed the Bangles from your list. That was the unkindest cut.
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I would venture to say that the Bangles were even more influential to alternative music in the 80s than the Go-Gos. I loved hearing the Bangles on First Wave this week. A lot of people think alternative music started with all the dark brooding and synth stuff. There was a huge power pop movement that preceded that. And before power pop was the punk movement. I remember Doug Fieger of the Knack saying Johnny Rotten was one of his biggest influences. Alternative rock has a very fascinating beginning.

No not all new stuff is alternative. Certainly boy bands and Britney, Christina and Kelly Clarkson are not alt rock. All the WKTU dance garbage music is not alt rock. Far from it. The Killers My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, All American Rejects certainly are alt rock. Remember where Alt Rock came from. Anti -disco. Anti meaningless dance music. Remember what Malibu Sue called it - "Music that Matters"
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I agree 100%. Whether they add a 90s rock channel or further diversify Alt Nation's programming doesn't really matter to me. It would be awesome to hear more from the bands you mentioned, along with some Ben Folds Five, Dave Matthews Band, Live, Our Lady Peace, Stone Temple Pilots, and all the other bands that were putting out quality alternative / grunge / rock music during the 90s.
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I just bought a new GM product and have been listening to my free three months of XM and I have to say that the alternative music is covered 100 times better by Ethel, Fred and the likes. Alt Nation seems geared to the 15-21 year old range. What about the rest of us 30 some old old timers that still like the modern rock sound?

First Wave satisfies the late 80s sound we grew up with, but when they play Morrissey and Depeche Mode five times an hour, my wife starts questioning my manhood.

Can't we have something in between that plays good modern rock? i.e. Collective Soul, Son Volt, Audioslave, etc. Not the goofy new stuff by The Unamerican Rejects, or 311 that gets way too much air time.

I'll take XM's Fred for alternative, but Sirius is still better overall...
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Totally disagree. Alternative Rock is supposed to be about new music first. The more current the better. I absolutely love listening to Alt Nation. It reminds me of when I first starting listening to LIR in the 80s. LIR was all about "new music first" back then. Everything was new! I enjoy First Wave for LIR nostalgia but Alt Nation is where alternative music is heading. Awesome station. And Madison is my favorite host by far.

PS - The Killers, Fall Out Boy, All American Rejects etc remind me of the very early 80s power pop movement at the very beginning of alternative breaking big 25 years ago - The Knack, Romantics, Go-Gos, Bangles etc. Its a very exciting time for alternative today.
as I quote the sirius music channel listing page

21 | ALT NATION
ALTERNATIVE ROCK

The latest alternative rock releases and the best alt-rock of the '90s.


It's not that I don't like the format that alt.nation currently has, but it would be much better if they rotated more alt-rock from the 90s into their playlists.

I'll let you slide on the Bangles comment since someone else hammered you on it, but an exciting time for music while mentioning Fallout Boy and the Rejects? Eh, to each their own.
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