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Old 11-21-2006, 04:53 PM   #1
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Default Deep Tracks>The Vault?

As much as I hate to admit it, I think XM has the edge over Sirius in Deep Cuts. We're hearing less and less actual deep cuts on The Vault, and more of the FM mainstays. It's sometimes a mess with XM, because they can't seem to determine what the difference is between a jam and an actual depe cut, but nonetheless, they do have a larger library than The Vault does, and they're pretty capable of going the full extent on it, too.

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agree and some people like it and some dont.

this explains xmsrs pov apparently:

http://mfile.akamai.com/20469/wmv/xm...og/LeeHIGH.asx
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Deep Tracks and the Vault have different missions.

Deep Tracks plays seldom-heard rarities. Songs that were probably never on radio.

The Vault plays songs that were probably once on the radio but didn't become mega-hits that you hear on 14 and 15. I think the best way to describe The Vault is "Songs you would hear on a greatest hits album but that casual listeners wouldn't know"
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i prefer the vault. deep tracks plays too many soft rock songs from bands that i have never even heard of. and i have heard of a lot of bands!! i just prefer hard rock bands to bands like trapeze, trooper and the greatful dead! i use to love deep tracks about 3 years ago. then they decided to go to this deeper than the ocean format. of mainly unknown bands.
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They're just completely different, it's an apples and oranges thing. The Vault is the next step or three removed from classic rock hits in terms of depth. However, the feel of the station is pretty much the same as Classic Vinyl and Rewind.

Deep Tracks is definitely deeper in the music they play, but they're also trying to recreate a "feel" that is reflected in both the music library and the artists played. Not sure how best to label it, it's kind of a "head music" vibe.

I can understand how DT might not appeal to a lot of folks, it's not for everybody. But the programmers behind the station inject a passion into the on-air presentation that I'd like to see replicated on more XM and Sirius stations.
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The Vault plays songs that were probably once on the radio but didn't become mega-hits that you hear on 14 and 15. I think the best way to describe The Vault is "Songs you would hear on a greatest hits album but that casual listeners wouldn't know"
I disagree with this, or at least that's not what the original intent of The Vault was. When I first got Sirius I heard (on The Vault) "other tracks" by some of those artists you might hear on Classic Rock channels. For instance, instead of "Fire" or "Foxy Lady" The Vault might play "If 6 Was 9" or "Machine Gun." The Vault should be about what the original "album rock" stations were.
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"mainly unknown"?

a tiny fraction of whats played on dt -- probably < 1% -- would be considered "unknown bands". there are surely unknown tracks from _known_ bands.

xmsr would be well served to have a channel that is between TT and DT in the extent of its playlists -- siris lineup couldnt begin to compete with xmsrs in this area if xmsr would just do that.
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I disagree with this, or at least that's not what the original intent of The Vault was. When I first got Sirius I heard (on The Vault) "other tracks" by some of those artists you might hear on Classic Rock channels. For instance, instead of "Fire" or "Foxy Lady" The Vault might play "If 6 Was 9" or "Machine Gun." The Vault should be about what the original "album rock" stations were.
When I was researching which satrad subscription to buy, one of the main comparisons for me was Deep Tracks vs the Vault. I had heard that they were similar in mission but, after spending a good chunk of time listening to both, I found that they're really not all that similar.

Deep Tracks is closer to what "underground", "progressive" or "free form" radio sounded like in the late 60s & early 70s. The Vault reminded me more of parties I'd go to in the 70s where someone brought all of his Zep or Who albums to play, concentrating more on the main studio records from classic rock stars. In that way, they were more like what happened to underground radio after the corporate types got ahold of it (what became AOR in the mid-70s).

DT plays some artists that most who were raised on FM classic rock radio in the 80s & 90s have probably never heard of - Wishbone Ash, Glass Harp, Seatrain, Renaissance & the like. They also play a fairly healthy dose of reggae & the blues. And they'll follow many of their artists' output right up to the present day.

The Vault stuck more to the biggies - songs that most avid classic rock fans knew by heart. And it was nice hearing "Misty Mountain Hop", "Monkey Man", & "Machine Gun" instead of songs that have beaten to death by FM CR radio.

There's value in both approaches, but they're not the same. I think the Vault is closer to the post-March Top Tracks than it is to Deep Tracks.
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When I was researching which satrad subscription to buy, one of the main comparisons for me was Deep Tracks vs the Vault. I had heard that they were similar in mission but, after spending a good chunk of time listening to both, I found that they're really not all that similar.

Deep Tracks is closer to what "underground", "progressive" or "free form" radio sounded like in the late 60s & early 70s. The Vault reminded me more of parties I'd go to in the 70s where someone brought all of his Zep or Who albums to play, concentrating more on the main studio records from classic rock stars. In that way, they were more like what happened to underground radio after the corporate types got ahold of it (what became AOR in the mid-70s).

DT plays some artists that most who were raised on FM classic rock radio in the 80s & 90s have probably never heard of - Wishbone Ash, Glass Harp, Seatrain, Renaissance & the like. They also play a fairly healthy dose of reggae & the blues. And they'll follow many of their artists' output right up to the present day.

The Vault stuck more to the biggies - songs that most avid classic rock fans knew by heart. And it was nice hearing "Misty Mountain Hop", "Monkey Man", & "Machine Gun" instead of songs that have beaten to death by FM CR radio.

There's value in both approaches, but they're not the same. I think the Vault is closer to the post-March Top Tracks than it is to Deep Tracks.
i did the same thing..although i did not hear much prog on deep tracks..and they play Seatrain to death..even in the 60's and 70' they were not a big player on any underground or free form station i would listen to so im not sure what the attraction is with them adn that group
I do not find the obscurity on Deep tracks that many talk about ..just deeper tracks than the Vault..their Progressions show is great as well
The Vault tends to veer into overplayed FM classics at time but overall I went with Sirius anyway..in addition to The Vault I like thier jazz stations
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deep tracks right now--syn--city of dreams...i was a dj and i have never heard of these guys...and in the 70s and 80s i listened to aor radio..102.9 jackson ms (wzzq 102)..and k94 ksmb lafayette la--where louisian rocks )1975-1984)
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"mainly unknown"?

a tiny fraction of whats played on dt -- probably < 1% -- would be considered "unknown bands". there are surely unknown tracks from _known_ bands.

xmsr would be well served to have a channel that is between TT and DT in the extent of its playlists -- siris lineup couldnt begin to compete with xmsrs in this area if xmsr would just do that.
I don't know if you've listened to Top Tracks since the March shakeup (when XM introduced Big Tracks to cover later Classic Rock), but it's deepened its playlist. They've added a lot of songs that got airplay when current, but for whatever reason, had dropped off of classic rock playlists. It's moved much closer to what I remember the Vault being when I was researching sat providers. They don't play any alternate takes or rarities, but I don't recall the Vault doing a lot of that either (though I'll admit my exposure to the Vault was only for several days a couple of years ago). But studio track for studio track, I doubt the two channels are that far apart.

Of course, some XM listeners complain that TT got too deep. But I hear very few songs on TT these days that weren't played often on radio back in the day (or that any rock fan didn't play to death on his record player). Most of the complainers seem to be younger folks who know classic rock from what they heard on FM radio in the 90s.
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deep tracks right now--syn--city of dreams...i was a dj and i have never heard of these guys...and in the 70s and 80s i listened to aor radio..102.9 jackson ms (wzzq 102)..and k94 ksmb lafayette la--where louisian rocks )1975-1984)
Peter Banks and Chris Suire both of Yes were in SYN..its pretty obscure but not that unknown to hardcore prog fans
Have you heard of Brain Box or Can? Ive heard them as well as other little known niche type bands on the Vault regularly..i would welcome more of that ..just not sandwiched between Tom Petty or The Pretenders
anyway as long as they play other tracks from well known rock bands then im happy..
everytime i heard the same track over and over on some classic rock station on FM i would always ask have to ask myself if they ever listened to the rest of the album..i think the Vault does an ok job on that with a slim mix of obscure stuff..
if it was me i would bump up the obscure a bit more (always nice to discover "new" old music) along with the little played album tracks
and leave the "same old same old" for Rewind or Vinyl

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