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Old 05-10-2006, 07:40 PM   #1
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I'm a gadget lover, so I have both an Inno and an S50. Of course, the obvious difference is the Inno works as a portable receiver, while the S50 is only a portable player. But there are lots of other differences, in no particular order:

1. The S50 lets you pause or rewind a live broadcast. The Inno only lets you pause or rewind pre-recorded tracks.

2. The S50 lets you set recordings for "Weekly" or "M-F", as well "Daily" and "Once", which are the only options on the Inno.

3. The S50 plays bits of the song as you are fast-forwarding or rewinding, while the Inno is silent during fast forward and rewind.

4. S50 fast forward and rewind is almost three times as fast (35 seconds for 30 minutes on the S50 vs. 90 seconds for 30 minutes on the Inno, on a talk channel recording).

5. The Inno lets you organize recorded tracks into playlists, even creating and naming a new playlist while in portable mode. The S50 only uses playlists for MP3s, and you can only manage them on the PC.

6. Both devices are very similar in total volume: the Inno is wider but the S50 is deeper. The Inno is heavier.

7. The Inno has a mostly metal casing. The S50 is all plastic.

8. The Inno displays channel graphics while in playback mode. The S50 only displays channel graphics while plugged into a dock and playing live content.

9. The S50 has a function called "My Sirius Channels" that saves songs from the three channels you listen to most. It manages this somewhat automatically. The Inno only records when you tell it to record. Once memory is full, though, the Inno will start deleting recordings that you haven't "locked", giving an effect similar to My Sirius Channels.

10. The Inno remembers where you are in recorded content when you turn it off and returns there when you turn it on. The S50 always starts in the main menu and you have to fast forward to where you were (if you can remember).

11. The Inno uses a standard USB cable. The S50 has a proprietary connector, so you can only use an S50 cable (don't lose it!).

12. The Inno's remote control is pretty cheesy. The S50 remote feels less flimsy. But the Inno itself feels very solid and compact and makes the S50 feel like it must have a lot of empty space inside.

13. Reliability on both units varies from person to person. For me, both are about the same (but that's comparing the brand-new Inno to the third-generation of firmware on the S50; the original S50 firmware was really, really bad).

14. The Inno always displays the time. The S50 only shows the time in live, docked mode.

15. The S50 has some weird interface icons, like a heart shape to tell you it is recording. The Inno says "REC", in red. On the other hand, the Inno has some fairly useless icons that let you know which songs are in a playlist and which are not (if only you could remember which icon meant which thing).

16. The Inno will transmit on FM without a dock, so just carry it into any car and away you go. The S50 FM transmitter is built into the car dock (and only the car dock; the home dock doesn't transmit).

17. The Inno lets you search by Artist. The S50 lets you searh by Artist on MP3s, but not recorded tracks.

18. The Inno lets you look through all the songs in a recorded session, one per line and you can go directly to a song you like. The S50 makes you skip through to each track in a recording to see what it is.

19. The S50 records the full song title. The Inno only records the 16-character title, not the extended title.

20. You can easily load MP3s onto an Inno from a Mac without any special software. For normal people, you can only load MP3s on the S50 with the included PC software. Mac experts can hack around this limitation, but it's a pain.

So there are lots of reasons beyond portable live reception to distinguish the two units. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these differences remain true for the planned follow-on to the S50 that will have live reception.

For me, #1 and #2 are pretty important, and are the main reason I haven't chucked my S50 into the "drawer of obsolete electronic gizmos". Plus, of course, the one thing the Inno won't do is record Sirius programs, so it often comes down to which program I want to listen to.
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My #1 reason would be, The S50 records Howard Stern, the Inno does not.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:09 PM   #3
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My #1 reason would be, The S50 records Howard Stern, the Inno does not.
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Wow, #1,2 & 4 are a shock! The Inno looks great and seems to be pretty stable, but can we please stop with the "XM has better hardware" stuff? Looks like they are about even in features (except portable live), but to not be able to pause live or schedule Weekly/M-F recordings is sad. I use both all the time. However, the big one is the FF/REW. One of the worst complaints about the S50 is the painfully slow FF/REW and yet the Inno is slower? Surprising.
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All I know is that if the upcoming live portable Sirius has even limited recording abilities, my S50 is going to be sitting on the shelf.
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Great breakdown of the two units. So it looks like the Inno has some advantages (no docks) but that the S50 has some features the Inno does not have in ways of recordings.

How is the reception on the Inno? is it good without the dock and specific car antenna? Do you live in an area with NO repeater? Can you get reception indoors?

I would love to hear a full breakdown on the two units in terms of reception and sound quality.

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I thought that future units wouldn't be able to Love songs like the current S50 does due to legal issues? Wouldn't this be a huge reason not to shelve the S50? My favorite part of the S50 is to My Channel a huge block of songs and then go through them: Love,skip,skip,skip,skip,Love,skip....
Maybe I'm mistaken on the savings song issue
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I thought that future units wouldn't be able to Love songs like the current S50 does due to legal issues? Wouldn't this be a huge reason not to shelve the S50? My favorite part of the S50 is to My Channel a huge block of songs and then go through them: Love,skip,skip,skip,skip,Love,skip....
Maybe I'm mistaken on the savings song issue
In one interview I read, Mel K said that maybe the recording features were legal and they shouldn't have to have separate agreements for devices. He said they agreed to that on the S50 so it would get to market sooner, but hinted they might try to fight that on future devices. Let's hope so!!!
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How is the reception on the Inno? is it good without the dock and specific car antenna? Do you live in an area with NO repeater? Can you get reception indoors?

I would love to hear a full breakdown on the two units in terms of reception and sound quality.
I live in the D.C. area, so my experience won't help you much. XM has repeaters out the wazoo here in their home town, so outdoor reception with the built-in antenna is excellent with both Inno and the earlier MyFi. Indoors is spotty, but usually works if you aren't too deep in the building.

The sound quality of the unit is outweighed by the sound quality of the source signal. XM recently lowered their quality in order to add more channels. Even if the Inno had incredibly poor audio quality, I doubt you could tell. Volume level is OK, but not great: I never have to crank it all the way up, but I do listen well above half way, so some people might find the volume a bit limited.
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How is the reception on the Inno? is it good without the dock and specific car antenna? Do you live in an area with NO repeater? Can you get reception indoors?

I would love to hear a full breakdown on the two units in terms of reception and sound quality.
I live in the D.C. area, so my experience won't help you much. XM has repeaters out the wazoo here in their home town, so outdoor reception with the built-in antenna is excellent with both Inno and the earlier MyFi. Indoors is spotty, but usually works if you aren't too deep in the building.

The sound quality of the unit is outweighed by the sound quality of the source signal. XM recently lowered their quality in order to add more channels. Even if the Inno had incredibly poor audio quality, I doubt you could tell. Volume level is OK, but not great: I never have to crank it all the way up, but I do listen well above half way, so some people might find the volume a bit limited.
Thank you for your post. I love Sirius and do not have XM but the unit looks super sweet. My only concern was the screen. The way the pictures look, and I've only seen pics-not a real working unit--the screen looks smaller than the S50. Again, thanks for the comparison. I hope you buy the sirius portable when it comes out so you can compare the two as I woudl be more than curious to hear this.
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My only concern was the screen. The way the pictures look, and I've only seen pics-not a real working unit--the screen looks smaller than the S50. Again, thanks for the comparison. I hope you buy the sirius portable when it comes out so you can compare the two as I woudl be more than curious to hear this.
The S50 screen is larger. The Inno screen is a perfect square at about 35mm in each direction. (It has to be a square, since it changes by 90 degrees when you dock it.) By my measurement, the S50 screen is also about 35mm wide, but it is more like 45mm tall.

It's pretty darn likely that I'll get the Sirius portable the very first day it comes out. I'm that kind of person...
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I'm throwing around the idea of getting the portable device but, I have had no real problems with my s50 and portability is not that important to me, especially since I live in an area with NO terrestrial repeaters. But, like you, I always have to have the newest gadget and device so I'm sure I'll cave in and buy it eventually.
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I like the S50's "love" a song feature. Once I record my favorite channel I can skip through the songs and save the ones I want by pressing and holding the play button for a couple seconds. Does the Inno have this type of feature?
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I like the S50's "love" a song feature. Once I record my favorite channel I can skip through the songs and save the ones I want by pressing and holding the play button for a couple seconds. Does the Inno have this type of feature?
No, you can only record songs on the fly as they are playing. You can record channels, any channel you want for as long as you want with absolutely no limitations except the memory itself. However, once those channels are recorded, you cannot save select songs from them, but you can delete everything you don't want and be left with those songs you do want. You can then add those songs to playlist that you create on the fly. You can also play them by playlist, channel, artist etc. So if you have 10 songs by Boston, you can have it play all 10 of those, you can have it play everything you've recorded from Flight26, or all the songs in your playlist, you can even shuffle them. It is very versatile. You end up being able to do about the same thing, but you just go about it differently. I also like the fact that I can LOCK songs so that the Inno will NEVER overwrite them even if it is running out of space and trying to make room. The only requirement is 8 hours of live reception per month. This also prevents people from putting 50 hours of programming on the Inno and then canceling the service. I think it was smart. Better than this S50 encryption key that many of us have had expire on us and then we lose our music.

The S50 will warn you if you if you try to save a partial song, but the Inno will not. If a song is already recording the S50 will just ignore recording it, but the Inno will record it multiple times. I think the S50 while it has not done very well with recording for most people did do their home work on some of the finer details. I personally don't care for the 3 channels that are suppose to record being decided by the media player based on what I am listening too because my listening habits change. The Inno gives me FULL control over what I record, the S50 does not. SIRIUS really needs to change this and I think they could with a firmware update.

It makes SIRIUS look rather silly having all these restrictions while XM has none.
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