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Old 10-01-2005, 02:38 PM   #46
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English Premiere League Soccer is popular with soccer fans in many countries, not just Britain.
But the country in question is the US and unfortunately it's not on your list...outside of the various supporters clubs around the country, in the US soccer is a sport that is less popular than hockey.

Let's be real here... Both hockey and soccer are fledgling sports here in the U.S. and both have a cult-like fan base. I can tell you that even though both are on the fringe, soccer is on the rise, and hockey is on the decline.
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I can tell you that even though both are on the fringe, soccer is on the rise
based on what? the fields around elementary schools?
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Old 10-01-2005, 11:33 PM   #48
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I can tell you that even though both are on the fringe, soccer is on the rise
based on what? the fields around elementary schools?


Dude! Just check the abysmal TV ratings! Do I have to mention that soccer still gets air time on ESPN and ABC, hockey has been demoted to OLN. Soccer has lackluster ratings, too, but they have the up-side of better broadcasting partners.
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:17 AM   #49
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Dude! Just check the abysmal TV ratings! Do I have to mention that soccer still gets air time on ESPN and ABC, hockey has been demoted to OLN. Soccer has lackluster ratings, too, but they have the up-side of better broadcasting partners.
Soccer is going nowhere in this country....I'm not comparing it to hockey, just noting that's it's ignored on an equal basis. Soccer is on ESPN when the World Cup is going on and every once in a while there's a Champion's League game. Other than that it's MSL garbage that everyone around the world laughs at.

Soccer on the rise? Please...
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>>FACT: They broadcast a helluva lot more than ESPN.

They still don't broadcast EVERY game.
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>>FACT: XM Deportivo is a Spanish language channel. Unfortunately, the great majority of XM subscribers don't speak or understand Spanish. So that's yet another of your irrelevant points.

A lot of subscribers do speak and understand Spanish, thus a Spanish speaking channel. All soccer won't be in Spanish and all soccer isn't on Sirius.
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>>FACT: Many people like myself have to work on Super Bowl day, and will be unable to watch it on TV. Thanks to Sirius, we'll still be able to enjoy the game.

Why are you arguing this? More people watch this than any other event whether you're working or not.
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FACT: The race for SatRadio supremacy is still in the early stages. The early leader in virtually any kind of race doesn't always end up winning. So talk your childish trash while you're able.

As far as I know, there is no final scoreboard for "SatRadio supremacy." Its not trash, its fact.

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By the way, I've been a subscriber to both Sirius and XM for about two years now. No true "Sirius fanboy" would subscribe to both. So you're wrong again. Nothing new there.

You hurled the "XM fanboy" comment first. I replied in kind. As for being wrong, you're a bundle of contradictions. Nothing new there.
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>>XM threw a hundred mill at a sport that cancelled its entire season last year, is on shaky financial ground, has a crappy TV deal with a mediocre cable channel, and is on the verge of becoming a minor league sport.

They're not on too shaky ground. OLN will be paying them as will Sirius and XM. They also have a TV deal with NBC, so don't get too hung up on the OLN deal.

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And once again you failed to factor in the NBA. Sirius will smoke XM on live play by play with the NFL, NBA, NASCAR, NCAA Basketball tournament, Wimbledon (World's most prestigious and widely followed tennis tournament) etc. etc.

Since they don't broadcst every NBA game, I guess they won't have as much play by play. XM does (not WILL) have MLB, NASCAR, NHL, ACC, Big Ten, PAC 10, US Open, PGA, IRL, and NBA as well as talk on ESPN, ESPNEWS, FOX, and Sporting News.
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"They still don't broadcast EVERY game."

>>Never said they did, so you make yet another irrelevant statement. However, they carry FAR MORE games than XM will through ESPN, which was my point to begin with.

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"A lot of subscribers do speak and understand Spanish, thus a Spanish speaking channel. All soccer won't be in Spanish and all soccer isn't on Sirius."

>>Less than five percent of subscribers are Latinos. The vast majority of subscribers are white males, most of them are over 40 and very few understand Spanish. So soccer on a Spanish radio channel is useless as tits on a boar hog.

>>I never claimed all Soccer was in Spanish or that all soccer was on Sirius, so your long string of irrelevant statements continues.

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"Why are you arguing this? More people watch this than any other event whether you're working or not."

>>Why don't you understand my point? I realize that it's the most watched sporting event. In fact, I was the first to mention it is the most popular single sporting event on earth.

>>And thanks only to Sirius, millions of Americans who have to work on Super Bowl Sunday will be able to enjoy the game at work. People who only subscribe to XM and have to work, will be SOL.
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"As far as I know, there is no final scoreboard for "SatRadio supremacy." Its not trash, its fact."

>>If there's no "final scoreboard", then your braying about XM having more subscribers at this point in time is totally irrelevant. An early lead in subscribers means nothing. So yes, you're talking trash.

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"You hurled the "XM fanboy" comment first. I replied in kind. As for being wrong, you're a bundle of contradictions. Nothing new there."

>>Never said I didn't. Your point? Ooops, I forgot, as usual you don't have one. And since you ARE an XM fanboy, I was right. So I haven't been contradictory at all.
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"They're not on too shaky ground. OLN will be paying them as will Sirius and XM. They also have a TV deal with NBC, so don't get too hung up on the OLN deal."

>>Funny, but just a few months ago NHL Hall of Famer Bobby Orr said that they were on shaky ground. Sorry, but I'll have to believe the word of one of the greatest hockey players in history over your ramblings.

>>The NBC deal is a joke. NBC is only covering about three games a week for a total of six weeks, and the games will only be shown in certain regions. They're not national telecasts.

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"Since they don't broadcst every NBA game, I guess they won't have as much play by play. XM does (not WILL) have MLB, NASCAR, NHL, ACC, Big Ten, PAC 10, US Open, PGA, IRL, and NBA as well as talk on ESPN, ESPNEWS, FOX, and Sporting News."

>>Golf? BWWWAAAHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAAA! Yeah, golf is going to really be exciting on the radio--NOT! XM can have it.

No, they'll have MORE play by play than XM. Sirius covers five college conferences compared to XM's three.

Sirius will broadcast EVERY single game of the NCAA Basketball tournament, one of the most popular sporting events in the country.

And the tiny trickle of NBA games XM will be getting through ESPN is an absolute joke.

XM carrying all those MLB games is irrelevant, since there's not a person alive who could possibly listen to anywhere near all of them, considering the extensive overlapping times/dates of the games every week.

So bragging about "all" the MLB play by play is as silly as bragging about XM having a music library of 2 million songs. Not a person alive could listen to anywhere near that many songs, even if they listened every waking hour of every day for years.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2045396

If you are referring to this article from ESPN, let me tell you that was then (April 29th, 2005) and this is now. Bobby Orr was worried at that time that if both sides could not get an agreement that another NHL season could be canceled. At that time there was a real possibility of that happening. Now that the NHL and the NHLPA have come to a new agreement (July13, 2005) it has adressed a lot of the problems the NHL was having. Players’ salaries were way out of whack. There were some rich teams that just threw out ridiculous amounts of money to get players to win a Stanley Cup. The poorer teams had no hope in hell of ever doing that. The league had a big problem that needed fixing. Now that there is a salary cap in place, more teams are on an equal playing field. (or ice!) I think fans see this as a positive move and are very happy to see that the game is back. I know that the NHL is in some markets that will be hard to get fans back in those seats again. Maybe in the next year or two the NHL can get a bigger TV deal. With rule changes and a new CBA in place the NHL has their house in order.

As for XM getting an agreement to carry NHL games for the next 10 years is a bad deal; I’m not too sure about that. It wasn’t just coincidence that this deal was announced 3 days after the Canadian Federal Cabinet approved satellite radio service in Canada. This was good move on XM’s part to introduce this service to Canadians, who live and breath hockey. Hockey fans in Canada have forgiven the NHL and NHLPA and can’t wait for the puck to drop tomorrow.
Here’s something from The Sports Network:

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie.asp
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You're counting your chickens before they're hatched. A few rule changes doesn't mean that they have their house in order at all. The NHL is still in a very tenuous position. And Bobby Orr has NEVER recanted his statement of a few months ago. The NHL has been steadily declining for years, plain and simple.

And to suggest that all Canadians have "forgiven" the NHL is horse manure. I've lived in three states that border on Canada, and there are PLENTY of Canadians that think the NHL SUCKS.

Living in Canada yourself, you surely know that there are regional professional, semi-pro, junior leagues etc. that are immensely popular. There is much more to hockey in Canada than the NHL.

The Montreal Canadiens have led the NHL in attendance three of the last four years, averaging a little over 20,000 people per game.

In comparison, the Edmonton CFL football team averages over 40,000 per game--and Edmonton is nowhere near the size of Montreal.

Major League Soccer in the U.S., which is considered a joke by many, and is certainly not classified as a major sport in this country, averages over 15,000 spectators per game.

So the NHL isn't as popular as you think, and only time will tell if they can pull their collective heads out, and restore themselves to the status of a true major league sport in America.
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I wonder why Sirius would want to carry all 15 games of a shaky league on opening night?
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The NHL isn't really in that bad of a spot. Reports of its demise are very pre-mature. Here is an interesting stat from today's Miami Herald:

"more U.S. viewers watched the 2004 Finals national broadcast than the 1994 Finals. By a fat 45.5 percent."

Don't forget that in 1994 it was the NY Rangers (big market) vs. the Vancouver Canucks. Last season was Tampa Bay (so called small market) vs. Calgary.

I'm going to a game tonight and will be listening on Sirius to the other games on my way home!
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I don't know, maybe because that's the commitment they have made to the subscribers.
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The NHL isn't really in that bad of a spot. Reports of its demise are very pre-mature.
That was my attempt at sarcasm. If it was so bad, Sirius and XM would not be broadcasting it.
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The NHL isn't really in that bad of a spot. Reports of its demise are very pre-mature.
That was my attempt at sarcasm. If it was so bad, Sirius and XM would not be broadcasting it.
OK, sorry.

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You're counting your chickens before they're hatched. A few rule changes doesn't mean that they have their house in order at all. The NHL is still in a very tenuous position. And Bobby Orr has NEVER recanted his statement of a few months ago. The NHL has been steadily declining for years, plain and simple.

And to suggest that all Canadians have "forgiven" the NHL is horse manure. I've lived in three states that border on Canada, and there are PLENTY of Canadians that think the NHL SUCKS.

Living in Canada yourself, you surely know that there are regional professional, semi-pro, junior leagues etc. that are immensely popular. There is much more to hockey in Canada than the NHL.

The Montreal Canadiens have led the NHL in attendance three of the last four years, averaging a little over 20,000 people per game.

In comparison, the Edmonton CFL football team averages over 40,000 per game--and Edmonton is nowhere near the size of Montreal.

Major League Soccer in the U.S., which is considered a joke by many, and is certainly not classified as a major sport in this country, averages over 15,000 spectators per game.

So the NHL isn't as popular as you think, and only time will tell if they can pull their collective heads out, and restore themselves to the status of a true major league sport in America.

sounds like something a _____________ fanboy would say
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I wonder why Sirius would want to carry all 15 games of a shaky league on opening night?
Because they have a contract that requires them to.

But they wisely chose not to renew the contract.

Great move, Mel!
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