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Old 10-05-2005, 05:30 PM   #61
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sounds like something a _____________ fanboy would say
Fanboy of what?

I've subscribed to XM for about two years now. Have no intention of cancelling it.

Quit smoking that crack!
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Old 10-05-2005, 06:07 PM   #62
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Because they have a contract that requires them to.

But they wisely chose not to renew the contract.

Great move, Mel!
you really have a hard-on for the NHL, don't ya?
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Old 10-05-2005, 06:57 PM   #63
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I'll miss Gary Thorne doing the play by play but I hope OLN does a good job and I am just happy that hockey is back.

Let's Go Flyers !!!
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Old 10-05-2005, 07:07 PM   #64
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I'll miss Gary Thorne doing the play by play but I hope OLN does a good job and I am just happy that hockey is back.
You'll miss Gary Thorne calling out the wrong players names? Not me...Thorne is about the worst national hockey announcer there is.

You're a Flyers fan, surely you must recall him constantly calling Justin Williams...Jason? That's just one that comes to mind but there were tons, and not just Flyers players either.
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Old 10-05-2005, 07:45 PM   #65
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Thorne gets the name wrong sometimes but he is much better then the flyers announcers
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Old 10-05-2005, 09:55 PM   #66
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Nothing beats the Hockey Night in Canada announcers
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Old 10-05-2005, 10:23 PM   #67
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You're counting your chickens before they're hatched. A few rule changes doesn't mean that they have their house in order at all. The NHL is still in a very tenuous position. And Bobby Orr has NEVER recanted his statement of a few months ago. The NHL has been steadily declining for years, plain and simple.

And to suggest that all Canadians have "forgiven" the NHL is horse manure. I've lived in three states that border on Canada, and there are PLENTY of Canadians that think the NHL SUCKS.

Living in Canada yourself, you surely know that there are regional professional, semi-pro, junior leagues etc. that are immensely popular. There is much more to hockey in Canada than the NHL.

The Montreal Canadiens have led the NHL in attendance three of the last four years, averaging a little over 20,000 people per game.

In comparison, the Edmonton CFL football team averages over 40,000 per game--and Edmonton is nowhere near the size of Montreal.

Major League Soccer in the U.S., which is considered a joke by many, and is certainly not classified as a major sport in this country, averages over 15,000 spectators per game.

So the NHL isn't as popular as you think, and only time will tell if they can pull their collective heads out, and restore themselves to the status of a true major league sport in America.
So the NHL is not popular in Canada, eh?
Ok:
1. Montreal: Sold out for the season!
2. Toronto: Sold out for the season!
3. Ottawa: Sold out for the season!
4. Calgary: Sold out for the season!
5. Edmonton: Sold out for the season!
6. Vancouver: Sold out for the season!

The next time your on the phone with Bobby, you can tell him that there has been a new agreement signed by the NHL and NHLPA.
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So the NHL is not popular in Canada, eh?
Ok:
1. Montreal: Sold out for the season!
2. Toronto: Sold out for the season!
3. Ottawa: Sold out for the season!
4. Calgary: Sold out for the season!
5. Edmonton: Sold out for the season!
6. Vancouver: Sold out for the season!

The next time your on the phone with Bobby, you can tell him that there has been a new agreement signed by the NHL and NHLPA.
Montreal, which has the highest average attendance in the league, only averages a little over 20,000 people per game (ppg). I would hope they could sell out an arena that fricking puny.

Sheesh. Major league soccer in the U.S. is considered a trivial sport, yet it draws over 15,000 ppg.

Some of the HIGH SCHOOL football games in my area have been known to draw crowds of 10 to 15 thousand.

NHL attendance figures are a joke. Edmonton's CFL football team brings in crowds of over 40,000--twice as many people as the Montreal Canadiens can bring in. And the Montreal metro area is about 2 1/2 times larger than Edmonton!

If the NHL is so popular up there, how come they can only bring in puny crowds of 20,000 or less?

A college football game at the University of Michigan will bring in over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND. Now THAT'S a crowd.

And if the NHL is so popular up there, how come some of the owners of the teams you listed, have been threatening to pack up their teams and move to the U.S. for the last several years?

And REGARDLESS of how popular the NHL is in Canada, the bottom line is this--can XM recoup its ONE HUNDRED MILLION dollar investment in a league that has been going steadily downhill for the last several years?

Just because there's a new contract between the league and players doesn't mean jack. Contracts don't guarantee squat as to how successful something is going to be.
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Sheesh. Major league soccer in the U.S. is considered a trivial sport, yet it draws over 15,000 ppg.

Some of the HIGH SCHOOL football games in my area have been known to draw crowds of 10 to 15 thousand.

NHL attendance figures are a joke. Edmonton's CFL football team brings in crowds of over 40,000--twice as many people as the Montreal Canadiens can bring in. And the Montreal metro area is about 2 1/2 times larger than Edmonton!

If the NHL is so popular up there, how come they can only bring in puny crowds of 20,000 or less?

A college football game at the University of Michigan will bring in over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND. Now THAT'S a crowd.

And if the NHL is so popular up there, how come some of the owners of the teams you listed, have been threatening to pack up their teams and move to the U.S. for the last several years?

And REGARDLESS of how popular the NHL is in Canada, the bottom line is this--can XM recoup its ONE HUNDRED MILLION dollar investment in a league that has been going steadily downhill for the last several years?
Are you out of your mind? A NHL season has 82 games. The CFL has only 18. You can't compare crowd size from sport to sport like that. Give me a break.
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Old 10-06-2005, 01:27 AM   #70
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And REGARDLESS of how popular the NHL is in Canada, the bottom line is this--can XM recoup its ONE HUNDRED MILLION dollar investment in a league that has been going steadily downhill for the last several years?

Just because there's a new contract between the league and players doesn't mean jack. Contracts don't guarantee squat as to how successful something is going to be.
first you spin it as 100 million it does look like a huge undertaking..... but when you break it a little bit and look at it as 10million a year with CSR picking up a chunk of that 10 million a year......

just curious.... is your distaste against xm or the nhl?
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Are you out of your mind? A NHL season has 82 games. The CFL has only 18. You can't compare crowd size from sport to sport like that. Give me a break.
I disagree. I can and will make crowd size comparisons from sport to sport. Have a nice day.

The hard fact of the matter is, the NHL doesn't draw SQUAT. As I previously mentioned, HIGH SCHOOL football games in my city can draw 10 to 15 thousand. That's just two schools playing in one city. Canada is an entire NATION of tens of millions of people.

The NHL is a JOKE, and not even a very good one. To paraphrase an old Roy Clark song--Thank God and XM they're gone! The NHL will most likely prove to be a hundred million dollar albatross for XM.

It's already on the verge of becoming a minor league sport. Their TV deal is comparable to the Arena Football League's, which isn't saying much.

Good riddance, NHL!
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OLN rebroadcast the MSG Rangers feed last night. Sam Rosen and John Davidson called the game. We may see a lot of home team rebroadcasts until OLN can ramp up. Home team play by play staff are light years better than Thorne, Albert, and Pang.
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Old 10-06-2005, 09:01 AM   #73
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Are you out of your mind? A NHL season has 82 games. The CFL has only 18. You can't compare crowd size from sport to sport like that. Give me a break.
It was just one of his irrelevant points...he makes a lot of them.
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Are you out of your mind? A NHL season has 82 games. The CFL has only 18. You can't compare crowd size from sport to sport like that. Give me a break.
I disagree. I can and will make crowd size comparisons from sport to sport. Have a nice day.

The hard fact of the matter is, the NHL doesn't draw SQUAT. As I previously mentioned, HIGH SCHOOL football games in my city can draw 10 to 15 thousand. That's just two schools playing in one city. Canada is an entire NATION of tens of millions of people.

The NHL is a JOKE, and not even a very good one. To paraphrase an old Roy Clark song--Thank God and XM they're gone! The NHL will most likely prove to be a hundred million dollar albatross for XM.

It's already on the verge of becoming a minor league sport. Their TV deal is comparable to the Arena Football League's, which isn't saying much.

Good riddance, NHL!
How can NHL fans say forgiveness:


Opening night attendance was good, with a total of 275,447 fans watching the 15 games, an average of 18,363 per game and 98.1 per cent of capacity, the NHL said in a release.
Eleven of the 15 games were sellouts.
"We are thrilled by and grateful for the tremendous response we have received from our fans, whose loyalty and passion are unrivalled," commissioner Gary Bettman said in a release.
Attendance figures for Wednesday's opening night of the National Hockey League season, with visiting and home team, attendance and arena capacity in parentheses:
Montreal 2 at Boston 1, 17,565 (17,565).
Ottawa 3 at Toronto 2 (shootout), 19,452 (18,819).
Calgary 3 at Minnesota 6, 19,398 (18,064).
Colorado 3 at Edmonton 4 16,839 (16,839).
Phoenix 3 at Vancouver 3, 18,630 (18,630)
Anaheim 5 at Chicago 3, 16,533 (20,500). Note: There was a Major League Baseball Play Off Game going on, two miles down the street.
Atlanta 0 at Florida 2 19,250 (19,250).
Carolina 2 at Tampa Bay 5 22,120 (19,758).
Columbus 2 at Washington 3, 16,325 (18,277).
Los Angeles 4 at Dallas 5, 18,532 (18,532).
N.Y. Islanders 4 at Buffalo 6, 15,702 (18,690).
N.Y. Rangers 5 at Philadelphia 3 19,821 (19,523).
Pittsburgh 1 at New Jersey 5, 18,101 (19,040).
San Jose 2 at Nashville 3, 17,113 (17,113).
St. Louis 1 at Detroit 5, 20,066 (20,058).
© The Canadian Press, 2005

Now for your comparison of the Montreal Canadians and the Edmonton Eskimos. A NHL game was played between your two favorite Canadian cities, Edmonton and Montreal, on November 22, 2003. The NHL's Edmonton Oilers and Montreal Canadiens squared off in front of 57,167 at Commonweath Stadium in Edmonton, Alberta - home of the Canadian Football League's Edmonton Eskimos. That was the biggest crowd to watch an NHL game.

Now the Rexall Centre in Edmonton holds 16,839 NHL fans and the Oilers play 41 games at home and they are sold out for this season=690,399 NHL fans for the year.
The Edmonton Eskimos play 9 home games and get 40,000 fans per game =360,000 CFL fans for the year.
The Montreal Candiens play 41 home games and they are sold out for the year and the Bell Center holds 21,450 NHL fans which=879,450 NHL fans for the year.
The Oilers draw twice as many fans than what the Eskimos do.
You cannot compare apples to oranges!
Now numbers do not lie, the NHL is alive and well, thank very much, even after losing a year to a labour dispute. All bet there is an American sports network that might be kicking themselves for not getting on board with the NHL.
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The tv ratings for the OLN broadcast on Flyers-Rangers was a 0.4
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