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View Poll Results: Would you like to see Division 1-A College Football eventually adopt a playoff system
No, Keep it as it is now 3 10.34%
Yes, a 16 team bracket 9 31.03%
Yes, an 8 team bracket 13 44.83%
Yes, a 4 team bracket 2 6.90%
Yes, an extra game featuring the two highest ranked teams after the bowl season 1 3.45%
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Old 12-02-2006, 11:52 PM   #1
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I am so sick of the stupid system we have now. I am so happy USC lost for 2 reasons. 1. I am damn glad I don't have to see them play for a National Championship again. 2. I love how it totally throws the BSC system in total dissaray once again. It was funny how football analysts talked about how it worked last year. Well it worked becuase there were 2 undefeated teams, you don't need a BSC for 2 undefeated team for Gods sake! We need a playoff bad.
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Old 12-03-2006, 08:43 AM   #3
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It was funny how football analysts talked about how it worked last year. Well it worked becuase there were 2 undefeated teams, you don't need a BSC for 2 undefeated team for Gods sake! We need a playoff bad.
And look back again at USC's and Texas' seasons, and you'll see how close they were to NOT being undefeated. Texas was 2 minutes from losing to OSU, and USC needed a questionable push (literally) to defeat Notre Dame.

At this point, I will accept two options for college football:

1) Keep the bowls. Scrap the "national championship" and declare that there is no national title winner. No "winner of the poll" title either. I keep hearing about how exciting the regular season is in college football. Well, do this and we'll actually see if it's real or not.

2) Playoff. Every other division of college football and every other sport in the NCAA has a playoff or an equivalent system for national titles. What entitles Division I-A football to be above that? (Answer: the money, which in the bowl system only goes to the elite conferences. That's why there will never be a playoff.)
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2) Playoff. Every other division of college football and every other sport in the NCAA has a playoff or an equivalent system for national titles. What entitles Division I-A football to be above that? (Answer: the money, which in the bowl system only goes to the elite conferences. That's why there will never be a playoff.)
Bingo. You hit it on the head. As long as the Almighty $ is in charge there will never be a Div IA playoff. Period.
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I'm thinking even 8 is a bit much. It's hard to tie the playoff system to the bowls, problems with fan travel and $$$. Plus schools/conferences would complain when some schools got to play in mutiple bowl playoff games. And there's too much $$$ in the bowls for them just to give that up for an NFL style system where teams would play additional home games.

If it happened, I'm thinking 6 teams at most. Give the top 2 teams a Bye, then seed.
You could also do an unconventional style 6 seed (1 vs 6, 2 vs 5, 3 vs 4), then the top seed remaining gets a Bye, while the other two face off, winner plays the resting #1.
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I'm thinking even 8 is a bit much. It's hard to tie the playoff system to the bowls, problems with fan travel and $$$. Plus schools/conferences would complain when some schools got to play in mutiple bowl playoff games. And there's too much $$$ in the bowls for them just to give that up for an NFL style system where teams would play additional home games.

If it happened, I'm thinking 6 teams at most. Give the top 2 teams a Bye, then seed.
You could also do an unconventional style 6 seed (1 vs 6, 2 vs 5, 3 vs 4), then the top seed remaining gets a Bye, while the other two face off, winner plays the resting #1.
Here's how you make a playoff work 8 teams and keeping the bowls:

1. Under an RPI/BCS system, an NCAA commitee selects the top 8 teams for the playoff, just like in the NCAA basketball tournament. All other bowl-eligible teams (as defined by 6 wins against 1-A, etc.) can still play in a traditional bowl game.

2. Six regional bowls are identified for the playoffs, probably the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, and two others, maybe the Peach and the Gator or Cotton. Much like NCAA hoops, you pair teams in regions and narrow the field from 8 to 4 by determining four regional champs. So, #1 seed Vanderbilt would play #8 seed Bowling Green in the Rose Bowl Pacific Region Championship, #4 seed Buffalo would play #5 seed Columbia in the Fiesta Bowl Southwest Region Championship, #3 seed Duke would play #6 seed Northwestern in the Sugar Bowl Central Region Championship, and #2 seed Temple would play #7 seed Eastern Michigan in the Gator Bowl Atlantic Region Championship.

3. Assuming the brackets are chalk, #1 Vanderbilt would then play #4 Buffalo in the Cotton Bowl Western Championship, and then #2 Temple would play #3 Duke in the Orange Bowl Eastern Championship. The two winners would meet in the NCAA Championship Game at the Superdome or somewhere big.

This way, there's still a playoff, you still have the bowls (they're either an NIT-like consolation prize, which is what all of them except the BCS Championship game are now anyway, or they are like the Final Four in hoops, in which you have four teams coming out of the four regions to meet at the Final Four weekend.)
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For years, I thought that they could get a playoff for college, and still use the Bowl games as the tournament games. The BCS was a step in the right direction because "in theory" you are getting the two best teams playing for the championship. But, it's still not a perfect system, and leaves room for debate. I think an 8 team playoff would be the way to go.
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1. Under an RPI/BCS system, an NCAA commitee selects the top 8 teams for the playoff, just like in the NCAA basketball tournament.

2. Six regional bowls are identified for the playoffs, probably the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, and two others, maybe the Peach and the Gator or Cotton. Much like NCAA hoops, you pair teams in regions and narrow the field

3. Assuming the brackets are chalk, #1 Vanderbilt would then play #4 Buffalo in the Cotton Bowl Western Championship, and then #2 Temple would play #3 Duke in the Orange Bowl Eastern Championship. The two winners would meet in the NCAA Championship Game at the Superdome or somewhere big.
I get what you're saying, and I thought about all that stuff, but you have to allow some benifit to the top teams here. You have to have some kind of BYE week in there at the very least to reward the top 2 teams. Using the NCAA basketball tourney as an example is good, but it's like apples and oranges compared to football. Because, if you let the top 8 teams in, what is the point of being #1 or #2 if #7 or #8 can beat you on "any given Saturday" and move on and potentially win the title??? If you're a great #1 or #2 team you might rest your star players and risk taking the loss knowing you'll only drop to #5 or 6 and still get in.

What I mean by the money is, let's say if Ohio State (and Big 10 conference) gets $1mil for the Rose Bowl game, then OSU wins and then gets another $2 mil for the Sugar Bowl game, then another $3 mil for the final championship game. Now OSU has gotten $6million dollars, while the other schools get less. Now granted that happens today, Michigan will get more $$$ than Southern Miss this January, but it's only one game, not 3 games.

I do like your regional pairings idea, but seeding would get in the way of having two southern teams face off in Atlanta. But if possible would help with the fan travel problem. Because ticket cost are high, last min airfares are mindblowingly expensive since you won't know if your team will make it through to the next week, so you have to buy a ticket last minute. It would cost at least $1,000-$2,000 per game (tix, airfare, hotel, food, rental car, etc). You could buy season tickets for 2-3 years for that.
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The money isn't that difficult. To make an 8-team bracket happen, you have to co-op 7 bowl games (or six, and create a new "Super" bowl). You take the money normally associated with those bowls, add it all together, divide by 8, and voila!

Now, I know this would be more money than the teams in those bowls would get under the present system, but then that just gives more motivation to make the top 8.

Or, just co-op 4 bowl games (for the first round) and use that money, and create three new bowl games that don't have any money involved with them at all. Same amount of money they would have gotten paid in those bowls anyway.
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There is no doubt they need a playoff. I really think that the NCAA brain trust believes this, just don't know how to impliment it.

With something like 6 weeks between last game and the BCS championship game, how game shape/sharp will Ohio State be. Especially with the holiday season in the middle.

Pit the top 8 and have a playoff. It is the only way you will determine a true champion especially when not everyone plays each other, and divisions/schedules are so different.
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