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SIRIUS XM Radio (Merger Mania) Now that the FCC has "approved" the merger, discuss all the aspects of it and the newly formed company.

 
 
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:08 PM   #16
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If PTO's "answers" could possibly be anywhere near reality one day, then no merger for me.

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Old 02-21-2007, 04:19 PM   #17
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I agree. Good article.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:42 PM   #18
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It's an interesting article - but no more in the know about what's going to happen than anyone else. Same with PTO's response. Either are feasible.

He's talking about in the here and now, and it would be insane to suggest that anything's going to change right now. But it's what's going to happen in the future that bothers me.

But - simply put - if there's a price increase, I'm out.
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Old 02-21-2007, 05:12 PM   #19
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I'm opposed to the merger, so I hope it isn't approved. But assuming it is, and based on the conference call and my guesses, here are the real answers to your questions, as opposed to the evasive half-answers that the PR flaks are offering.

Q: When will my current Sirius receiver become obsolete?

A: Not until the year 2015, when the current fleet of satellites nears the end of its life. You will be able to subscribe at the discounted $12/month rate for the basic lineup, or $15/month for the premium tier. The premium tier includes Howard Stern, all NFL games, and selected MLB games. In other words, Sirius receivers will continue to receive the majority of the current channels, with a few additional channels available to premium tier subscribers. In order to provide these new channels, some of the less popular channels will no longer be available.

Q: When will my current XM receiver become obsolete?

A: Not until the year 2015, when the current fleet of satellites nears the end of its life. You will be able to subscribe at the discounted $12/month rate for the basic lineup, or $15/month for the premium tier. The premium tier includes Opie & Anthony, all MLB games, and selected NFL games. In other words, XM receivers will continue to receive the majority of the current channels, with a few additional channels available to premium tier subscribers. In order to provide these new channels, sound quality will be reduced on the existing channels until mid 2008, when additional bandwidth will be available due to the end of the Clear Channel contract. At that time, the commercial music channels will be dropped.

Q: What channel changes are planned?

A: Duplicate channels will be combined, so both Sirius and XM units will receive the same programming for most decades channels, some pop and rock channels, and other selected genres. These combined channels will replace the existing channels when there is a close match. In general, playlists will fall somewhere in the middle between what the matching channel on Sirius and the matching channel on XM used to offer.

Q: I am not a current subscriber. What kind of hardware should I get?

A: First look at the current programming lineup. It will remain nearly unchanged through 2007, and the majority of channels will remain unchanged thereafter. On a cost-per-channel basis, XM units are the better value, and will let you receive more of the broad mix of programming available from the combined company. But Sirius talk programming will continue to have better sound quality. XM portable units will continue to be smaller and have better battery life. However, XM will not offer a WiFi unit; that option will be available only on Sirius portables.

Q: I am a dual subscriber now. Will I get a discount?

A: Yes. Dual subscribers can get the basic lineup on both services for a total cost of $15/month. Or get the premium tier on both services for $20/month. Until new equipment is available, you will need two receivers to take advantage of this offer.

Q: When will I be able to receive all channels on one receiver?

A: The first dual-chip receivers will be available in a plug-and-play unit by the middle of 2008. The first portable dual-chip units will appear by the end of 2008, but they will be larger and have shorter battery life than the single-chip models. Dual-chip receivers will start appearing as factory-installed options by the 2011 model year.

Q: What subscription plans will be offered for dual-chip receivers?

A: The same as for current dual subscribers: $15/month for the basic tier, or $20/month for the premium tier.

Q: Once dual-chip receivers are available, will I be able to trade in my old receiver for a new one?

A: Yes. A $50 rebate will be available against the purchase of a dual-chip receiver for customers trading in a single-chip receiver.

Q: Will my lifetime Sirius subscription still be honored?

A: Yes. You will continue to receive the basic tier for no additional charge. You may, if you wish, upgrade to the premium tier for a discounted charge of $4/month.

I hope these answers are helpful as you consider the advantages and disadvantages of this merger.

No disrespect to you dude but for all we know you could be blowing smoke up your asses with your responce. You post a responce like this giving answers as if their set in stone, as if you know the 'insider scoupe' you need to back up what you say with how you found out this info, some links from offical sources where you found it, etc.

Otherwise your entire post is just your opinion in what you hope happens and is totally misleading to people who read it as they will think it's true and set in stone.

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Old 02-21-2007, 06:53 PM   #20
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No disrespect to you dude but for all we know you could be blowing smoke up your asses with your responce.
I am very pleased that you think this might possibly have some basis in fact. I can confirm that this was taken from a top secret FAQ prepared for Mel's personal consideration, and was leaked to me by his private secretary's housecleaner's sister, who I happened to go to school with in Massachusetts.

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The earliest bird will need replacing around 2020.
I deliberately shaved a few years off, because I think they'll want to declare the old codecs obsolete before the full 15 years pass. In fact, I wonder if it may be even sooner than 2015. The point is that you'll be wanting to replace your old radio long before it stops working because of anything to do with the merger.

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If PTO's "answers" could possibly be anywhere near reality one day, then no merger for me.
I agree. The worst part for me, as a dual subber, is simulcasting channels on both services. I may pay less per month if they merge, but I'll have fewer channels to choose from than I do now. I don't think we need any top secret FAQ's to know that this is what they are planning.
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Old 02-21-2007, 07:30 PM   #21
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Wrong.. I remember a small little company who did this, and stopped offering lifetimes. What was the name? Oh yeah, TiVo.
TiVo was not a government regulated company, nor did they accept a condition of license that they would not own the other PVR manufacturer. And basically, even as a public company, they didn't have to prove any sort of "it's good for the consumer" line of BS. And who was TiVo doing a BS "merger of equals" with? Really bad attempt at some sort of comparison that simply makes zero sense.
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Old 02-24-2007, 01:44 PM   #22
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Ryan, I think a lot of your statements are as much assumptions as are the statements by the people who assume that we will be paying $100/mo for less content than we are currently getting.

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So for the next year or so, absolutely nothing will change. Perhaps the boys at Interoperable Technologies will be working a bit harder than normal, but as it seems right now - it's "business as usual."
While I can't say that you are 100% wrong here there is, IMO a better than 50% chance that you are wrong. What do I believe will change over the next year? Mostly we will likely see much less competitive spirit. XM and Sirius are much less likely to try and one-up one another. As a single example; will XM continue to push its unofficial NASCAR coverage? I doubt it, and the XM subscribers who are NASCAR fans will lose out in ways they wouldn't have had the merger not been negotiated.

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Remember, you have at least a year before any transitions even begin, and beyond that XM and Sirius plan to maintain your current service for an indefinite period of time.
This is simply false, it has to be. If this were the case then the only advantage would be in programming savings. While our existing XM and Sirius receivers will certainly work for the time being but to assume that the service will stay the same is naive. We know that we are going to lose bandwidth to the proposed video service at the very least. As I have said in other posts I am confident we will lose at least 1/3 of our existing bandwidth on single service receivers in the relative short term, this meaning when the first multi-service receivers are delivered. The other 1/3 of bandwidth will most likely be used for the tiered services. This will help give people an incentive to upgrade their equipment.

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I'm thinking of buying a receiver, should I wait?
Absolutely not. For the same reason as above. There's so much time (and so many "ifs") that there's just no need for a knee jerk reaction. Go ahead and buy that new receiver and just enjoy yourself.
This is a personal decision. I would wait to upgrade equipment until the first combined tuners come out that will allow reception of all the offered programming. If you are the kind of person who just loves the hardware and you're ready to upgrade again in 2 years then go for it and buy a tuner now.

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Are they going to kill my favorite channels?
NO! Again, predicting the death of channels on your presets right now is a little too crazy. Will there eventually be some dropping of channels as "synergies" are discovered? Of course, but again - that's such a LONG ways away that it just shouldn't even be in your vocabulary of concerns.
While it is impossible to know which channels are going to get the axe it certainly should be a concern. Those of us who are currently dual subs will end up with less choice. You admit as much in your response. Surely, as you said, this will be due to "synergies" but unless you have a new tuner you will not get the benefit of these "synergies" because you will not be able to receive all of the content that is left after the consolidation of channels.
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Great, now they're going to raise rates right?
For the next year? No. For the future after that? Doubtful.
Doubtful? They announced that the cost of SatRad was going up after the merger in the conference call. Unless you think that the tiered services will only be new content and none of it will be existing content. By definition adding tiered content will raise the price unless you see a corresponding drop in the base cost.

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Mel Karmazin, who historically has seemed very much in favor of increasing rates, definitely seemed to soften on the subject this morning. Why?
Why? Because it would look anti-consumer and not because of any change of heart. He wants to make the merger appear as positive as possible to regulators.
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Yeah well, "big bad Mel" is going to put commercials on my music channels, right? Satellite radio's biggest draw is commercial-free music. As popular as Howard Stern is, it's the core offering of 100% commercial-free music that is the true basis behind satellite radio. While it's true that Karmazin is very well known for being an advertising guru, he's not about to shit on the core offering of this service. Your music channels - and their commercial-free status - are completely safe.
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But for now, the bottom line is: calm down. We've got a long road ahead of us...
I agree that calm should rule the day there is a long row to hoe. This doesn't mean that people shouldn't discuss the pros and cons of the known, likely and possible outcomes of the proposed merger.
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Old 02-24-2007, 10:07 PM   #23
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Excellent post, Ryan. Very nice.

But good luck! It's HARD stopping those die hard conspiracy theorists and doomsday analysts.
unfortunatly complaining is human nature, you have to wait and see what happens(then complain!!!)
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Calm down. Of course changes will occur. Change is good most of the time.
Yes, change can often be good, but I can't think of a single instance in which a monopoly was in the best interests of the consumers. I do some work with the NAB and recommend that everyone check out www.xmsiriusmonopoly.org - it's a great resource and clearly lays out all the reasons that Siruis and XM listeners should be against the merger.
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Anything the NAB has to say is of no interest to me as they are a bunch of self serving liars.

I did glance over the information and I am not convinced, but those morons have done more to help this merger go through than anything. I hope Rehr continues to talk, because each time he does he just continues to drive the credibility of the NAB down more and more. Not that they had much to begin with. I think the FCC and Committee members already are onto the NAB. You can't call Sat Radio competition when it meets your needs and then call them something else when it doesn't.
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For those that are opposed to the merger and want to complain about buying a new radio in a few years, here's two thoughts:

As the generations of radios have changed, one thing is for sure, they keep coming out with cooler, smaller, and more features on those radios so you'll WANT to buy them. I know I have.

Second, if the merger doesn't happen, there is a strong chance these companies WON'T make it and you'll have useless radios and have to bear listening to testicle radio again!
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For those that are opposed to the merger and want to complain about buying a new radio in a few years, here's two thoughts:

As the generations of radios have changed, one thing is for sure, they keep coming out with cooler, smaller, and more features on those radios so you'll WANT to buy them. I know I have.

Second, if the merger doesn't happen, there is a strong chance these companies WON'T make it and you'll have useless radios and have to bear listening to testicle radio again!

There are some useless channels on both sat radio companies programming so you'll adjust if you of them is your favorite.
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As the generations of radios have changed, one thing is for sure, they keep coming out with cooler, smaller, and more features on those radios so you'll WANT to buy them. I know I have.
Good for you. Personally, I couldn't care less about cooler, smaller and more features. Now more channels or better sound quality, yes, that would encourage me to think about an upgrade in radio.

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Second, if the merger doesn't happen, there is a strong chance these companies WON'T make it and you'll have useless radios and have to bear listening to testicle radio again!
Well since so many believe in what Mel regurgitates, he, and Parsons at XM, have said many, many times that these companies will make it with or without the merger. So do you know something they don't? If so, please tell us!
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Well since so many believe in what Mel regurgitates, he, and Parsons at XM, have said many, many times that these companies will make it with or without the merger. So do you know something they don't? If so, please tell us!
Just start looking at the balance sheets, the P&L, the burning of cash, the printing of hundreds of thousands of free shares of stock that the management receives and then immediately cash out on. They never buy their own stock with the exception of Mel buying a million shares at $5.35 around 11/20/04. The management of Sirius and XM will lie about anything so please don't be naive. They're in the fight of their lives for survival. Promises of cash flow positive have been made over and over and keep changing.
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Just start looking at the balance sheets, the P&L, the burning of cash, the printing of hundreds of thousands of free shares of stock that the management receives and then immediately cash out on. They never buy their own stock with the exception of Mel buying a million shares at $5.35 around 11/20/04. The management of Sirius and XM will lie about anything so please don't be naive. They're in the fight of their lives for survival. Promises of cash flow positive have been made over and over and keep changing.
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