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Old 10-01-2006, 05:47 PM   #1
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Red face Stiletto review from an s50 / Inno owner

Ok I am not posting pictures cause I am lazy. In comparing it to the inno, it is 3/8" taller than the Inno (INCLUDING the antenna) 1" taller NOT counting the Inno antenna and an 1/8" thicker and 1/4" narrower. IE it is bigger and feels bigger even though it is narrower.

RECEPTION:
WIFI
I live in an area with NO XM or SIRIUS repeater which means I get no reception indoors with either product. I do have WIFI and that worked flawlessly but I have a very open WIFI policy. My WIFI overlaps the sat coverage by about 5 feet so that is nice.

HANDHELD
I tried walking around outside with the Stiletto and it didn't work without the antenna (chinese ear torture) headphone even then I was only getting 1/3 signal strength. Without them (antenna headphones) I had to hold the radio at chest height at least one foot from my body at a 60 degree angle so that the angle of the top surface of the radio was level. I am being that specific because that is the only thing that worked. If I held it down by my side it didn't work. The Inno by constrast works in my hand by my side as long as the antenna doesn't touch my body. It is much more forgiving than the Stiletto in this regard. I also get 3 bars with their version of the chinses ear torture device. They both are painful but the XM headphone look nicer. I feel less dorky in them but still dorky.

UI
This is where the Stiletto shines the menus and controls are much more polished than XM. It looks like Sirius uses a flash based UI which really makes it pop. I had no problem using the radio and not reading the manual first. My only grips are that the list seems to have a hard time keeping up with the speed of the wheel and it skips past channels without displaying them. I do like XM's channel logos being displayed in the channel list on the inno but I do not miss them and being able to see "channel, Artist and song" all at once is very nice.

FEATURES (recording)
This combined with the limits of reception mentioned above are the real fatal flaws of this product and I blame the RIAA more than Sirius. The recording feature allows you to record songs individually ONLY when they are heard live and the love button is pressed during the song. If the song ends and you use the replay to go back to it, you can only add it to your favorites list, not record it. This is somthing that is possible in the s50. (The Inno doesn't have replay).

Also if you want to record several hours of a music channel, those songs are saves as a block and do not show up as individual songs in the library. You can play the block and skip to and fro from song to song but not separate them. This is also true with the 'radio replays' that the Stiletto records automatically. With the s50 you could love songs from the replay and they would show up in the artist list. With the Inno, every song, commercial, DJ banter and show are individual elements that can be viewed and sorted by: Song, Artist, Channel, Genre (category) or recording. And more importantly can be deleted individually. With the Inno, you can listen to record programs without commercials or save individual segments (between commercials) without saving the whole thing. This is not possible with the Stiletto. If it were not for the WIFI feature, this would be enough to make me return the Stiletto. I will see how it goes for the next 28 days before I decide to return it. I do not expect this to be fixed by a firmware update as it was never fixed in amy way on the s50 and actually got worse on the Stiletto. Can you say, "sirius bent over for the RIAA" without getting sensored by the moderators?

OTHER FEATURES
They are nice but as I sit here writing none of them standout as a really cool feature. Yes, it has presets but they are off by themselves and unless you really set them up completely they are not easily accessable enough (WITHOUT A CAR KIT) for casual use. I can make playlists but I have to use the PC and I can't make them on the Stiletto like I can on the Inno. I like making playlists on the fly it is much fun than planning a time to sit down infront of the PC. Then when I record new songs I have to plan another trip to my PC. Yea, it has playlists but...

CONCLUSION
When I got my Inno, I busted it open docked it, activated it, hit record channel on my favorite channel and the next day I had tons of great music and playlists and something I could walk around with without torturing my ears. With the Stiletto after a day I have 10 songs and one block of songs most with mutes in the audio because you can't charge the radio and use the headphones. Since I couldn't find a home or car dock, I had to place the radio outside 9angled perfectly0 and run in and out hitting the love button just to get what I have got on it. I know over time (once I get a dock) I will fill the radio with music. But day one, it is like when I had a baby. Day one, wasn't too fun but it got better. I hope this will get better.

Given the limitation set up by the RIAA they made a nice product. It is made well, and functions without error (unlike the s50) but I wish they used XM's recording methodology and sat technology and combined it with their replay, wifi, flash based UI, hi-res display. That would be a nice product. Maybe the two companies should merge. Then we would have something. Or XM should have hired ZIBA and Howard.
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:13 PM   #2
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Nice review.

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Also if you want to record several hours of a music channel, those songs are saves as a block and do not show up as individual songs in the library. You can play the block and skip to and fro from song to song but not separate them. This is also true with the 'radio replays' that the Stiletto records automatically. With the s50 you could love songs from the replay and they would show up in the artist list. With the Inno, every song, commercial, DJ banter and show are individual elements that can be viewed and sorted by: Song, Artist, Channel, Genre (category) or recording. And more importantly can be deleted individually. With the Inno, you can listen to record programs without commercials or save individual segments (between commercials) without saving the whole thing. This is not possible with the Stiletto. If it were not for the WIFI feature, this would be enough to make me return the Stiletto. I will see how it goes for the next 28 days before I decide to return it. I do not expect this to be fixed by a firmware update as it was never fixed in amy way on the s50 and actually got worse on the Stiletto. Can you say, "sirius bent over for the RIAA" without getting sensored by the moderators?
That part may be enough to make me thinl twice about wanting one. With my two Innos, I can record any show on XM and delete all the commercials and songs I don't want and keep the rest and make playlists out of it.

I'll wait till I read even more reviews of this thing before I decide now. I am in my car 8+ hours a day driving for my job so these features on radios are really important.
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:54 PM   #3
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C-bunny, very good review. Very fair as well. Does the SL-100 have the same 10 minute buffer as xm for recording songs?
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C-bunny, very good review. Very fair as well. Does the SL-100 have the same 10 minute buffer as xm for recording songs?
Since the Stiletto has replay (30+ buffer that you can navigate), it is more than 10 minutes but to record (love) a song it must still be playing. SO you should have no issue getting an entire song. BUT YOU CAN NOT GO BACK TO A SONG AND RECORD IT AFTER IT HAS ENDED. You can on an s50 but not on a Stiletto (due to software) or Inno (due to lack of replay).
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Old 10-02-2006, 06:05 AM   #5
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Since the Stiletto has replay (30+ buffer that you can navigate), it is more than 10 minutes but to record (love) a song it must still be playing. SO you should have no issue getting an entire song. BUT YOU CAN NOT GO BACK TO A SONG AND RECORD IT AFTER IT HAS ENDED. You can on an s50 but not on a Stiletto (due to software) or Inno (due to lack of replay).
FYI, the Stiletto has a 60 minute buffer compared to a 10 minute buffer on the INNO. I just wish you could record songs from the buffer like the S50 can.
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Old 10-02-2006, 06:51 AM   #6
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Nice review.



With my two Innos, I can record any show on XM and delete all the commercials and songs I don't want and keep the rest and make playlists out of it.
What show on XM could you possibly want to record?
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:16 AM   #7
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FYI, the Stiletto has a 60 minute buffer compared to a 10 minute buffer on the INNO. I just wish you could record songs from the buffer like the S50 can.
I also wish you could record from the buffer. I don't completely understand why they couldn't just limit the device with the 10 hours and leave it like the S50. Loving from a recording block and the buffer were probably the 2 best features of the S50. I'd rather have a 90 day delete cycle on the music rather than what they have implemented.

What's even sadder is that future devices will probably be like this so might as well get used to it I guess. I definitely think we should email Siruis and see if they would fight this particular aspect of the unit. I like the Stiletto but this lock down is a bit crazy considering the bit rate and you can't get it off the device anyway. Ug...
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:27 AM   #8
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What show on XM could you possibly want to record?
Smokestack, Barnburning, Bob Dylans show, there are all kind of shows on XM I record. I set them to record and then I cut out the songs that I don't want and I can make playlists out of them.

What do you mean what could I possibly want to record on XM? Kind of a dumb question isn't it?
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Nice review, I'm bummed over the inability to record off the buffer.
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I also wish you could record from the buffer. I don't completely understand why they couldn't just limit the device with the 10 hours and leave it like the S50. Loving from a recording block and the buffer were probably the 2 best features of the S50. I'd rather have a 90 day delete cycle on the music rather than what they have implemented.

What's even sadder is that future devices will probably be like this so might as well get used to it I guess. I definitely think we should email Siruis and see if they would fight this particular aspect of the unit. I like the Stiletto but this lock down is a bit crazy considering the bit rate and you can't get it off the device anyway. Ug...
I don't think this limitation of not recording off the buffer is a result of the RIAA, I think it's a software issue. They had limited software development time in order to be able to get the device out before the Holidays. They wanted the early adopters to test the device so they can work out the kinks and bugs before X-mas season. They should be able to add this feature in the future, if they want to fund the software development time and cost. It's all a function of time and money, since software development and enhancements cost money. They have to freeze the software development at some point to make a profit on this device. My guess is they're already selling the Stiletto below cost cause they know consumers won't pay more than the current price. They're hoping to recover that as production costs come down. This is all factored in to the software feature development time and cost.
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I don't think this limitation of not recording off the buffer is a result of the RIAA, I think it's a software issue. They had limited software development time in order to be able to get the device out before the Holidays. They wanted the early adopters to test the device so they can work out the kinks and bugs before X-mas season. They should be able to add this feature in the future, if they want to fund the software development time and cost. It's all a function of time and money, since software development and enhancements cost money. They have to freeze the software development at some point to make a profit on this device. My guess is they're already selling the Stiletto below cost cause they know consumers won't pay more than the current price. They're hoping to recover that as production costs come down. This is all factored in to the software feature development time and cost.
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I don't think this limitation of not recording off the buffer is a result of the RIAA, I think it's a software issue. They had limited software development time in order to be able to get the device out before the Holidays. They wanted the early adopters to test the device so they can work out the kinks and bugs before X-mas season. They should be able to add this feature in the future, if they want to fund the software development time and cost. It's all a function of time and money, since software development and enhancements cost money. They have to freeze the software development at some point to make a profit on this device. My guess is they're already selling the Stiletto below cost cause they know consumers won't pay more than the current price. They're hoping to recover that as production costs come down. This is all factored in to the software feature development time and cost.
I don't agree, the feature was in the s50. I am sure they started with it as code base... so why remove a working feature except for legal reasons. If it hadn't been in the s50. I might agree with you but it was.
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They should be able to add this feature in the future, if they want to fund the software development time and cost.
People literally yelled and screamed for the S50 to get a bookmarking feature. Did they every implement it? No. They didn't even implement a very simple resume feature like they have in the Stiletto? No.

Bottom line, I won't be expecting Sirius to add features to existing devices. They will definitely fix problems and dare I say "tweak" recording times but I don't think they will EVER add a new feature. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I can't think of any added feature to the S50 since day 1.
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What show on XM could you possibly want to record?
How about
1. talk shows on Air America
2. A good portion of the System (always good mixes, better than Area 33...except when Paul Van Dyke is spinning)
3. Ethel is a great station. Nothing quite as good on Sirius

I agree that there is nothing on XM like Howard.

Now, to get back to topic...I have a pre-ordered Stiletto on its way from Crutchfield, but I have already prepared myself for dissapointment. I too own an Inno, and I love the thing. I was prepared for crappy reception, but the reception is great. I typically either wear it down at my side, or I wear it on the front strap of my Crumpler "Wonder Weenie" bag, and I always use my Shure buds and get great reception. Sounds like the Shure's are gone for shure when using the Stiletto. I really didn't expect much different though...I have proven to myself that XM has much bettre reception than Sirius on their Satellites in the Pacific Northwest. That figure 8 swing they make on their Satellites covers the Southern US and the East coast pretty well, but we are left to repeaters out here, unless you have an antenna firmly plated on the roof of your house or vehicle.
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Smokestack, Barnburning, Bob Dylans show, there are all kind of shows on XM I record. I set them to record and then I cut out the songs that I don't want and I can make playlists out of them.

What do you mean what could I possibly want to record on XM? Kind of a dumb question isn't it?
It is a dumb question. I record Yankee games if I'm going to miss the game...
And yes, it is cool to cut out the commercials and songs you don't like.
Some people just hate XM so much but i bet half of those people never even used it...
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