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Old 10-17-2006, 09:56 AM   #1
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Hi everyone - newbie here! Long time reader, first time poster.

My wife reeeally wants to buy me a Stiletto for xmas and I reeeally want one, but after reading all the issues and complaints that people are having on here, I'm in two minds about it. $350 is a hell of a lot of money to drop on something that doesn't seem perfect, especially when you add in the extra $90 for the home dock. Will the much-cheaper Universal Home Kit work with it? WallyWorld have 'em online for $48.

I'm amazed that you can't make recordings from the Wi-Fi! Who in the world thought THAT was a great idea? But anyway - all you owners: what sort of battery life are you getting on a day-to-day basis? I'll be travelling to Scotland soon and was thinking that the Stiletto would be a good companion. If I were to rely on partial live, partial wi-fi and partial recordings, would it last a whole day without needing charged, or would I be better using my trusty old MP3 player and spending the $300 on MP3s instead?
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Old 10-17-2006, 10:08 AM   #2
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I get 4 hrs with the large battery and 2 hrs with the small battery while listening to live satellite. I've listened to 6 hours of recorded and never came close to running out of the large battery so I really have no idea how long you can go- probably 8-10 hours though between the 2 batteries.

If you get one from CC or BB, you have 30 days to get your money back. Bottom line is that if you can get live satellite or WiFi, the is an AWESOME unit.
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If you can't make adjustments and adapt to different situations than this isn't for you. There are situations where you will need to use wifi or dock it or use the live portable.
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If you are going to buy the Stiletto, you are going to want the home docking kit instead of some universal kit (maybe except the soloist) because you will want to charge your batteries in the Stilleto's home cradle (especially since you cannot charge the batteries any other way right now unless it is attached to the Stiletto and plugged in.

As for whether the Stiletto is right for you, I would recommend you look at the areas where you intend to use it. Are you in a repeater area? Do you plan to use this in repeater areas? Satellite reception is definitely spotty when not hooked up to an external antenna (antenna headphones or a home dock/car dock antenna). If you are in a repeater area...you are golden.

As for Wifi, it depends on your area and programming taste. If all you listen to is Music, Howard, Martha or Gay Radio, then you are covered by finding a Wifi stream to suck off of (it must be a totally open connection with no splash screen or no sub service). If you like sports...forget about the Wifi for listening to football games. You get ESPN and ESPN radio, but games play on the stations that are not available to the Wifi stream currently.

If I had another option, I would wait. The price on the Stiletto will definitely come down...and on top of that..if the Wifi connection works, you can possibly go with some other options...maybe even the Zing player that is coming out in the future. I would hold off for now if I were you.

Also, as far as batteries go...my Stiletto took a 3 foot drop off of my desk (I really need them to release a case). Anyway, my large battery was toast after the fall due to a separation of a chip from the circuit board in the battery. The slim battery is in use now, and with replays, I can listen for about 4-6 hours..but with Satellite...I get about 2 hours like stated. Have not tested that much with Wifi since most areas around me have subs, are not open, or have splash screens.

Hope that helps...and these are my opinions that are based on my experiences...other people may have different experiences.
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Thanks for the replies, everyone!

I'd mostly be using it in the house with my wi-fi and although I occasionally like to dip in and out of EPL games, what's offered on the stream is more than enough. It's more or less Stern or music - the other longform talk stuff, like Classic Radio or Court TV, is usually on just during car journeys. So you wouldn't recommend the universal dock, huh? OK. So maybe I should get the Stiletto 10 rather than the 100 and the home dock...? Or is the 100 that much better that it's worth shelling out the extra cash for?

I have an "unconfirmed" repeater in my town - if it's actually there, does it make a differene to listening indoors, or does it just make the outdoor reception better?

Oh - and another question. (sorry, am I outstaying my welcome??) If I had the home dock and connected it up to my hone stereo system, i can leave it switched on and it will record and charge at the same time, right? So if I was recording Stern at 3am, I wouldn't have to be awake to turn it on, right? I'm starting to sound like Elegant Elliot, riiight?

Thanks again for all your help, guys. I'm back to 50/50 on whether I should get one. Mrs Spike will be pleased! (she wants to get me one so she can borrow it )
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Thanks for the replies, everyone!

I'd mostly be using it in the house with my wi-fi and although I occasionally like to dip in and out of EPL games, what's offered on the stream is more than enough. It's more or less Stern or music - the other longform talk stuff, like Classic Radio or Court TV, is usually on just during car journeys. So you wouldn't recommend the universal dock, huh? OK. So maybe I should get the Stiletto 10 rather than the 100 and the home dock...? Or is the 100 that much better that it's worth shelling out the extra cash for?

I have an "unconfirmed" repeater in my town - if it's actually there, does it make a differene to listening indoors, or does it just make the outdoor reception better?

Oh - and another question. (sorry, am I outstaying my welcome??) If I had the home dock and connected it up to my hone stereo system, i can leave it switched on and it will record and charge at the same time, right? So if I was recording Stern at 3am, I wouldn't have to be awake to turn it on, right? I'm starting to sound like Elegant Elliot, riiight?

Thanks again for all your help, guys. I'm back to 50/50 on whether I should get one. Mrs Spike will be pleased! (she wants to get me one so she can borrow it )
Only difference between the SL10 and SL100 is 10 vs 100 hrs of record time (as far as I know). And having a repeater near you is HUGE!! I get PERFECT reception inside my apartment, at the gym, at work, everywhere, because I have a repeater near me. And the Stiletto is great for recording- you can put it in sleep mode and it will record without even having to turn itself on.
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But anyway - all you owners: what sort of battery life are you getting on a day-to-day basis? I'll be travelling to Scotland soon and was thinking that the Stiletto would be a good companion. If I were to rely on partial live, partial wi-fi and partial recordings, would it last a whole day without needing charged, or would I be better using my trusty old MP3 player and spending the $300 on MP3s instead?
Welcome to SBS.... You are doing the smart thing in researching before you make a purchase.

Live portable reception via these devices is hit and miss. So, I would not count on using it for "LIVE" reception and expect that it is going to work anywhere. The technology has some definate limitations. If you will rely on satellite reception, you'll probably be required to wear the headphone/antenna, which are included (many have complained about them not being very comfortable) to get acceptable reception. If you happen to be blessed with a terrestrial repeater in you area then the device will work via "LIVE" sat reception pretty much anywhere (indoors and outdoors).

Wifi works great, but you must have the SSID being broadcast, you can use WEP or WPA1/2 security, but it only supports 802.11b, so your router or wireless access point will need to be setup as noted. In my personal experience I have used the device at several locations successfully. It will not connect to every and/or all networks, but thus far I've had very good luck. Cafe's, coffee shops. The Wifi includes all the music channels, Howard Stern 100 and 101. Martha Stewart and OutQ.

Coming in the next couple of weeks to the Stiletto Wifi, will be Sirius Stars, Sirius Left, Sirius Patriot, Blue Collar Radio, Raw Dog, Laugh Break, Kid's Stuff, Sirius Football Radio, Maxim Radio, Cosmo Radio, Playboy Radio. These were not inititally made available during roll out, but are coming. There is no live sports, but SIRIUS can't broadcast via the internet programming they do not have permission or rights too.

My battery use has been averaging about 4 hours live on the bigger battery and 2 hours live on the slim battery. I do use mine in mixed mode like you are talking about. Some live, some wifi and playing back mp3's or radio replays. Using it like this on the big battery I get an average of about 8 to 10 hours. Of course all that hinges on how much you opt to use it live. I've been very happy with the battery life myself.

It is true as with most new devices the price will come down. However, I think this device would make an excellent Christmas Gift and I personally recommend it. I would not wait on devices that are still on the drawing board and may or may not even be released within the next 6 months.

In my opinion using the Stiletto with a home dock and or the Soloist really adds another demension to its use and personally find this makes for better reception in the home and allows me to record during the night, which allows me to have a lot of fresh content for use during the day or when on the go where I can't get live or wifi connections. Those that say this device isn't portable evidently have a totally different view of what portable is than I do. I've had a totally new freedom with this device that I've never experienced with any other device before.

I say go for it!
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So maybe I should get the Stiletto 10 rather than the 100 and the home dock...? Or is the 100 that much better that it's worth shelling out the extra cash for?
I agree with DAB, you are going about your shopping the right way...by asking. I have not heard a confirmation directly from Sirius, but third parties that are selling the Stiletto 100 and 10 are reporting that the Stiletto 10 will not support Wifi like the 100. Not confirmed since the 10 is not out yet and none of these sellers has one, but note this before your purchase.
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Thanks, DAB! I've been a SBS reader for a while, but this is the first time I've felt compelled to post. I've had Sirius for a long time too, my car still has the clunky hardwired unportable Audiovox receiver! I'm a research hound when it comes to dropping serious money on something like this. Hell, it took me the best part of two months of searching and cross referencing to decide on a car....

I'm glad they're going to be adding more channels to the wifi (I didn't know Kidstuff wasn't already offered), but the encryption isn't a problem at my house. The additional channels aren't just on the $2.99 plan, right?

Getting 8 hours of mixed mode use from the big battery is huge - what sort of life does the smaller one get? Also, you're the man when it comes to inside information - what, if any, firmware resolutions do you see happening in the near future? I'd hate to think that any fixes would only be available on new units...

I wonder how the live reception would be on a plane with a window seat...?
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I wonder how the live reception would be on a plane with a window seat...?
This kind of goes back to DABs explaination of people with high expectations for reception, but unless you have a repeater near you, people who expect to get reception inside any enclosed building are setting themselves up for a dissapointment. This is even worse when there is metal between you and the Sat. An airplane may be different, but I would temper your expectations by saying that hoping for reception inside a building, car, or airplane may be wishful thinking. Those airline windows are fairly thick.

I was thinking Sirius could add repeaters to airplanes...jk
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Thanks, DAB! I've been a SBS reader for a while, but this is the first time I've felt compelled to post.

The additional channels aren't just on the $2.99 plan, right?

what, if any, firmware resolutions do you see happening in the near future? I'd hate to think that any fixes would only be available on new units...

I wonder how the live reception would be on a plane with a window seat...?
I am glad you finally joined us here on the forum. I also enjoy new folks such as yourself that come in full of questions.

Yes all the channels are available on the online service rather you get the premium 128kb feed or not. I was glad to find out they are adding them all to the Stiletto too.

Updates... well lets just say that next week sometimes there just maybe a minor update coming for the Stiletto. I do think we'll see quicker and better response on fixing issues on the Stiletto than we ever did on the S50. The update will be avaliable on wifi or by using the MSS software when it is made available.

Stiletto on a plane... That would be cool, not sure how well it would work though. I agree with hvacigar, people often set themselves up for disappointment.
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Stiletto on a plane... That would be cool, not sure how well it would work though. I agree with hvacigar, people often set themselves up for disappointment.
There have already been a few reports from people taking it on a plane that have ranged from "I got pretty good signal" to "I got no signal". So, at least it has worked for some people at this point!
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Wow - the plane comment was a joke, I'm surprised that people have actually had success with it! I'd've thought the amount of metal and wiring would have buggered the signal up completely. I used to work in a radio studio in a basement and couldn't get any cell service because of all the sheilding.

So I can keep asking my questions then? Cool! haha!!
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Wow - the plane comment was a joke, I'm surprised that people have actually had success with it! I'd've thought the amount of metal and wiring would have buggered the signal up completely. I used to work in a radio studio in a basement and couldn't get any cell service because of all the sheilding.

So I can keep asking my questions then? Cool! haha!!
Did you just say "buggered"?
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I'm afraid I did. I come from Scotland originally and it, along with 'bloody', is one of those words I just can't seem to stop using!
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