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Old 12-24-2006, 05:44 AM   #1
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Hi all,

Can we start a Stiletto bug & enhancement list? Here are some of my top requests:

Bugs:

- Stiletto powers off after 4 hours in the car dock (even if the car dock power source is constant)

- Stiletto will not power up automatically to record a timer event.

Enhancements (for Stiletto):

- Increase bitrate of WiFi stream. The current audio quality via WiFi is horrible. The WiFi sound quality should be indistinguishable from the Satellite Radio sound quality.

- Automatic switching between Satellite and WiFi. When I pull into my garage and lose my Satellite signal, the Stiletto should automatically search and connect to my WiFi. This would prevent me from missing timer recordings and automatically get the software updates.

- Timers should fire no matter what – If I set a timer, I expect it to fire. Stiletto should attempt to record my timer event regardless of the current state (no Satellite – use WiFi, no power – use battery, etc)

- Enable recording off of WiFi. When I set a timer, it should record even if I'm parked in my garage (no Satellite signal)

- Enable all channels on WiFi. WiFi should receive all channels that the Satellite tuner can.

- Sell an external battery for the Stiletto – Since the Satellite battery life on the Stiletto is so short, Sirius should sell and external battery that we can connect for extended battery life.

- Sell an external antenna for the Stiletto – Since the internal antenna on the Stiletto is so bad, Sirius should sell an external antenna that we can use in combination with our own headphones (not the antenna headphones)

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Old 12-24-2006, 07:39 AM   #2
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[QUOTE=Larry H]Hi all,

Can we start a Stiletto bug & enhancement list? Here are some of my top requests:

Bugs:

Quote:
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- Stiletto powers off after 4 hours in the car dock (even if the car dock power source is constant)
I wouldn't call this a bug; Sirius did this so your car battery doesn't get drained.

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- Stiletto will not power up automatically to record a timer event.
Please be more specific; the Stilleto alone? in a car dock? in the home dock?

Mine wakes up just fine in the home dock.

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- Increase bitrate of WiFi stream. The current audio quality via WiFi is horrible. The WiFi sound quality should be indistinguishable from the Satellite Radio sound quality.

- Enable recording off of WiFi. When I set a timer, it should record even if I'm parked in my garage (no Satellite signal)

- Enable all channels on WiFi. WiFi should receive all channels that the Satellite tuner can.
All channels on wifi, high quality wifi AND the ability to record wifi. Um, good luck getting this one past the RIAA. Allowing this type of wifi recording would basically mean you could record songs at almost the same bitrate as you could buy them for and the RIAA just isn't going to allow this.

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- Timers should fire no matter what – If I set a timer, I expect it to fire. Stiletto should attempt to record my timer event regardless of the current state (no Satellite – use WiFi, no power – use battery, etc)
I must be missing something here: what purpose would a "recording" be without (1) a signal or (2) power?

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- No combo control buttons (ex: spin wheel is also a tilt wheel) – I appreciate that Sirius attempted to make the Stiletto look good by minimizing buttons, but it also needs to be useable. Currently, it is very hard to use the tilt portion of the spin wheel. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to switch songs and had to abort because I accidentally turned the wheel while I was attempting to tilt it. Here’s a good test for Sirius - I should be able to find and use every button on this device in the dark (without seeing it).
No probelms with the design here. I'll take less buttons any day of the week.

I liked some of the ideas; just decided to comment on certain ones for the sake of discussion.

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Old 12-24-2006, 07:51 AM   #3
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I wouldn't call this a bug; Sirius did this so your car battery doesn't get drained.
If people are concerned about their car battery, then they should wire their car dock power to the key instead of the battery. I am more concerned about missing timer recordings. I drive my car every day and the Stiletto is a very light load for my newer vehicle's battery.

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Please be more specific; the Stilleto alone? in a car dock? in the home dock?
Mine wakes up just fine in the home dock.
Sorry, I see this issue with my car dock.
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Old 12-24-2006, 09:15 AM   #4
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Hi all,

Can we start a Stiletto bug & enhancement list? Here are some of my top requests:

Bugs:

- Stiletto powers off after 4 hours in the car dock (even if the car dock power source is constant)

- Stiletto will not power up automatically to record a timer event.

Enhancements (for Stiletto):

- Increase bitrate of WiFi stream. The current audio quality via WiFi is horrible. The WiFi sound quality should be indistinguishable from the Satellite Radio sound quality.

- Automatic switching between Satellite and WiFi. When I pull into my garage and lose my Satellite signal, the Stiletto should automatically search and connect to my WiFi. This would prevent me from missing timer recordings and automatically get the software updates.

- Timers should fire no matter what – If I set a timer, I expect it to fire. Stiletto should attempt to record my timer event regardless of the current state (no Satellite – use WiFi, no power – use battery, etc)

- Enable recording off of WiFi. When I set a timer, it should record even if I'm parked in my garage (no Satellite signal)

- Enable all channels on WiFi. WiFi should receive all channels that the Satellite tuner can.

- Sell an external battery for the Stiletto – Since the Satellite battery life on the Stiletto is so short, Sirius should sell and external battery that we can connect for extended battery life.

- Sell an external antenna for the Stiletto – Since the internal antenna on the Stiletto is so bad, Sirius should sell an external antenna that we can use in combination with our own headphones (not the antenna headphones)

Enhancements (for Stiletto follow-on):

- Better battery life – 10 hours should be the minimum battery life for any mode

- Better internal antenna reception – The current internal antenna reception is unacceptable. The internal antenna reception should be as good as the current headphone antenna reception is.

- Multiple Satellite tuners – Currently, if you want to record two shows at the same time you are out of luck. Muliple Satellite tuners will allow the user to record multiple shows or record one show while listening to another live.

- No combo control buttons (ex: spin wheel is also a tilt wheel) – I appreciate that Sirius attempted to make the Stiletto look good by minimizing buttons, but it also needs to be useable. Currently, it is very hard to use the tilt portion of the spin wheel. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to switch songs and had to abort because I accidentally turned the wheel while I was attempting to tilt it. Here’s a good test for Sirius - I should be able to find and use every button on this device in the dark (without seeing it).
You sure do sound like your a high maintenace kind of person. I think you'll be wishing for most of those things for a long, long time. Good luck.
 
 
 
Old 12-24-2006, 10:18 AM   #5
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that's a lot of requests there.......the only equest that I have is that they fix the Sirius Connect issues. I find myself having to take the battery out of the thing every day to make sure it still functions properly. The docking issues do need a solution IMHO. The power concerns and the automatically switching from satelliete to wifi I don't think are very practical.

I did see an issue this morning with the home dock again that I needed to unplug the home dock to reset it. The remote stopped working prior to the unplug and the stiletto was basically unresponsive.

I don't think the stream using wifi is that terrible, obviously it isn't the same as the satellite but I never really expected it to be. I wouldn't complain if they made it better of course.
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Old 12-24-2006, 11:36 AM   #6
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You sure do sound like your a high maintenace kind of person. I think you'll be wishing for most of those things for a long, long time. Good luck.
In this case, I agree. I have spent over $500 plus $13/mo for this device (Stiletto + 2 docks + subscription), so my expectations are very high. The reason the Apple iPod has been so successful is because Apple pays attention to this type of useability stuff. Hopefully, Sirius will do the same...
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Thanks Larry for making this list. Larry asked me about this and told him to proceed. One of the things that I've been told is that far too many times when these threads get started instead of folks just asking for enhancements and sharing what they think maybe a bug. Folks just turn these threads into bitch sessons.

If you have an enhancement idea or possible bug, please post it. If you are here to bitch.. you are in the wrong thread!

Just make sure if you are reporting a bug, that you are VERY, VERY specific. Were you using the car dock, home dock, executive system, boombox, soloist or as a stand alone. Can you recreate this bug by doing certain things, if so give us the steps. Before I send in a bug report I try to recreate these things.
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Old 12-24-2006, 03:19 PM   #8
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Bug
S100 powers off after 4 hours of inactivity in the Soloist dock. No reason for this. I've not verified this in the Boombox on AC yet, but if it does it shouldn't.

Enhancements
Add a clock to the display.
Detect and warn on "Loving" duplicate songs.
Stream at 128k for Premium subscribers (as mentioned above)
Sell antenna on a cord with clip, for those of us that use our own headphones, but want a separate antenna for portable use.
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Larry there are some things you've asked for that are already off the table. Recording via wifi... that was a RIAA consession and it is my understand that will not be available.

The 4 hour auto shut-down is by design and while they could make it user configurable, the car dock really isn't recommended for recording. Anything you do will reset the 4 hour clock, so it only shuts down after 4 hours of inactivity and while there is no recording going on.

Also by design with no AC power or signal the Stiletto will not record, this won't be changed.

Higher bitrate streaming it possible, but they have to work out some potential issues with that, because of the rebuffering problem that moving to 128kb streaming could present. My suggestion on this would be allow us to configure network hotspots in regards to connect at 128kb or 32kb. Because there are going to be some hot spots that simply can't support a full 128kb streaming due to the amount of bandwidth being used by everyone on a specific network.

I think the button thing is more of a preference than anything isn't it? They aren't going to totally redesign this unit Larry. The buttons and current layout won't change either.

I think the battery life is pretty good myself, I have no complaints.

Let make sure when we post bugs we aren't just talking about our preferences here guys.
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Larry there are some things you've asked for that are already off the table. Recording via wifi... that was a RIAA consession and it is my understand that will not be available.

The 4 hour auto shut-down is by design and while they could make it user configurable, the car dock really isn't recommended for recording. Anything you do will reset the 4 hour clock, so it only shuts down after 4 hours of inactivity and while there is no recording going on.

Also by design with no AC power or signal the Stiletto will not record, this won't be changed.

Higher bitrate streaming it possible, but they have to work out some potential issues with that, because of the rebuffering problem that moving to 128kb streaming could present. My suggestion on this would be allow us to configure network hotspots in regards to connect at 128kb or 32kb. Because there are going to be some hot spots that simply can't support a full 128kb streaming due to the amount of bandwidth being used by everyone on a specific network.

I think the button thing is more of a preference than anything isn't it? They aren't going to totally redesign this unit Larry. The buttons and current layout won't change either.

I think the battery life is pretty good myself, I have no complaints.

Let make sure when we post bugs we aren't just talking about our preferences here guys.
DAB,

Thanks for the feedback. Here are the responses to your questions:

Power down - A configurable shut down timer would be great. I'm still unclear why you would need an auto power off when you are on constant power, but a configurable delay should make everyone happy.

WiFi record - I can see where this wouldn't be a big deal for people who listen to their Stiletto in the home dock. However, I have a dedicated Sirius tuner for home so my Stiletto is only for on-the-go music (car and mobile). Currently, I am forced to bring my Stiletto into the house everynight so that it can record content. If I'm going to do that, I might as well buy another S50 and save myself some money. I do think this feature makes sense, but if the RIAA won't allow it then I can live with that.

Battery record - This feature only makes sense if WiFi record is enabled. The internal antenna is not good enough to support mobile recording.

Higher bitrate - I wouldn't optimize Stiletto for any particular HotSpot. I myself (and others?) use the WiFi feature on my own home network. I have total control over this wireless access point and have no throughpout limitations. This is another feature that should be configurable so that people who don't have enough throughput can stay at the 32Kb rate.

Button functionality - This is a request for future products (not for the Stiletto). Yes, this is personal preference. I have been spoiled by the iPod spin-wheel so I'm having a hard time getting used to the Stiletto mechanical wheel.

Battery life - I agree that the MP3 battery life is good, but 4 hours of live playback is not enough to get through a single talk show (one Howard Stern show = 5 hours). Again, this is a request for a future product (not the Stiletto).

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I'm about to dish the christmas money I get for christmas...I hear it only lasts two hours before you got to recharge it. Is this true?
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I just got one today and i love it. i wish it had a clock
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Clock is suppose to be coming! There will still be no sleep are alarm timer.
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Again, this is a request for a future product (not the Stiletto).

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Larry, I understand your request, but these guys are that going to review this thread aren't really interested in what we want for future products. I think this thread needs to be about reasonable enhancements that could possible come to the Stiletto. The Stiletto is what we are talking about right?

This is one of the issues these guys have about the way we've done this in the past. We just throw out so much stuff that they just aren't willing to read through it to actually see what applies to the Stiletto, what is just person preference etc.

Let keep this list going on reasonable enhancements or real recreatable bug issues. This will help those that can implement these things more apt to read this thread.

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Larry, I understand your request, but these guys are that going to review this thread aren't really interested in what we want for future products. I think this thread needs to be about reasonable enhancements that could possible come to the Stiletto. The Stiletto is what we are talking about right?

This is one of the issues these guys have about the way we've done this in the past. We just throw out so much stuff that they just aren't willing to read through it to actually see what applies to the Stiletto, what is just person preference etc.

Let keep this list going on reasonable enhancements or real recreatable bug issues. This will help those that can implement these things more apt to read this thread.

Thanks.
Ok, that sound's reasonable. I'll remove the "for future products" section of my original post.

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