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Old 04-19-2005, 01:46 PM   #16
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I'm happy to see them elect an even more conservative pope. This just speeds their ongoing descent into irrelevancy.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:48 PM   #17
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Is he liberal or conservative?
I think the guy was "Hitler Youth".

He has also said that; women need to go back to a more subserviant role, back to children, kitchen and church.
I won't say what I would really want to say so I'll just bow out gracefully.

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I'm happy to see them elect an even more conservative pope. This just speeds their ongoing descent into irrelevancy.
good point.
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Old 04-19-2005, 03:01 PM   #18
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Here is a factual summary of the new pope's life.
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Old 04-19-2005, 04:41 PM   #19
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Here is a factual summary of the new pope's life.
It didn't say what he did during WWII
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Old 04-19-2005, 04:45 PM   #20
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I'm not Catholic so can someone please explain to me why they choose new names or whatever it is they do when they become pope? What was JPII's real name? This is all quite new to me and I dont understand most of it. I also don't really care a whole hell of a lot, I was just trying to be informed.
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Old 04-19-2005, 04:53 PM   #21
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Here's an interesting story that goes into details about WWII:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153942,00.html
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Old 04-19-2005, 04:56 PM   #22
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I'm not Catholic so can someone please explain to me why they choose new names or whatever it is they do when they become pope? What was JPII's real name? This is all quite new to me and I dont understand most of it. I also don't really care a whole hell of a lot, I was just trying to be informed.
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:27 PM   #23
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Is he liberal or conservative?
Sounds like he has the same views as John Paul II... Traditionalist is the word the keeps popping up.
Well, you can be a Liberal Traditionalist, I am. What I personally don't want for the world is a Conservative Traditionalist. Guess I'm out of luck on this one.
hi jeremy, i guess we must be 180 degrees aboutface from one another. i consider myself to be conservative, but not big on traditions at all.
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:35 PM   #24
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i am not positive about priests, but i know nuns change their names, when they enter the convent.

i think a lot of that tradition centers around giving up everything in their old life, even their name - to start their new life, serving god.

for example, when a catholic is confirmed, he takes on a confirmation name - although that does not replace his baptized name.
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:37 PM   #25
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there was speculation that the pope would not be real young - the other higher ups did not want to chance having to deal with undesired changes for too long of a time.
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Old 04-19-2005, 08:26 PM   #26
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Is he liberal or conservative?
I think the guy was "Hitler Youth".

He has also said that; women need to go back to a more subserviant role, back to children, kitchen and church.
Do you have that quote somewhere you can point to?
I found this on the web. It seems pretty believable.

http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/Ratzinger_faq.html

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Old 04-20-2005, 05:09 AM   #27
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In response to the Hitler Youth thing, it seems that it is true but it is one of those situations where it can be explained and is not nearly as damning (forgive me father for I have sinned using foul language :\ ) as one might be led to believe on the surface.

In fact the Jerusalem Post has come to Ratzinger's defense on the issue and I found this quote on CNN

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Rabbi Israel Singer, chairman of the World Jewish Congress, said: "We worked closely with Cardinal Ratzinger on many issues, including the Holy See's relationship with Israel and the church's condemnation of anti-Semitism. Cardinal Ratzinger provided the theological underpinning for many of the major advances in Jewish-Catholic relations in the past quarter century."
I can't believe these two sources would have been eqivocal if there was any concern that Pope Benedict XVI had any true Nazi tendencies.

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Old 04-20-2005, 06:47 AM   #28
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When he turned 14 in 1941, he joined the Hitler Youth; membership was compulsory under a 1936 German law. National Catholic Reporter correspondent and biographer John Allen writes that Ratzinger was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings.

Ratzinger has mentioned that a Nazi Mathematics professor arranged reduced tuition payments for him at seminary. While this normally required documentation of attendance at Hitler Youth activities, according to Ratzinger, his professor arranged that the young seminary student need not attend those gatherings to receive a scholarship.

As a youth, Joseph was drafted into national service in Germany during World War II.

In 1943, at the age of 16, he and many of his classmates were drafted into the Flak or anti-aircraft corps. They were posted first to Ludwigsfeld, north of Munich, as part of a detachment responsible for guarding a BMW aircraft engine plant. Next they were sent to Unterföring, northwest of Munich and briefly to Innsbruck. From Innsbruck their unit went to Gilching to protect the jet fighter base and to attack allied bombers as they massed to begin their runs towards Munich. At Gilching, Ratzinger served in telephone communications.

The choice of the name Benedict is also significant. The new Pope`s birthday is on the 16th April and that day is the feast of Saint Benedict Joseph Labre (26 March 1748 - 16 April 1783), also known as the Holy Pilgrim. His first name was already Joseph and together with Benedict, which he has now assumed, his Christian namesake is now complete. In addition the previous Pope Benedict XV was seen as a conciliator who calmed the disputes between modernist and traditionalist factions with the Church, and the adoption of the name Benedict has been seen as a sign that Benedict XVI has similar goals. Additionally, Der Spiegel reports on an interview with cardinal Meisner, usually regarded as close to Ratzinger, stating that he chose Benedict because of Benedict XV who "did much for peace in the world".

Some see Benedict as a traditionalist, others as merely orthodox, but almost all observers agree that he is a staunch defender of the Church. He is an opponent of the culture of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, euthanasia, and abortion.
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Old 04-20-2005, 08:47 AM   #29
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merovingian, great post!
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Some see Benedict as a traditionalist, others as merely orthodox, but almost all observers agree that he is a staunch defender of the Church. He is an opponent of the culture of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, euthanasia, and abortion.
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