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Old 04-24-2006, 11:49 AM   #136
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Well I finally got out into the world today since Thursday and gas is now $3.15/gal. Un-freakin-believeable!!!!! Guess I won't be going anywhere until my doctors appt on Thursday.
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Well I finally got out into the world today since Thursday and gas is now $3.15/gal. Un-freakin-believeable!!!!! Guess I won't be going anywhere until my doctors appt on Thursday.
I haven't seen an increase since Thursday; which surprises me! In the Pocono’s gas is $2.99/gal but I found a Hess station that was selling it for $2.76/gal and if you drove less than 1/10th a mile you come to a Gulf that is selling it for $2.98/gal. Needless to say there was one hell of a traffic jam with everybody trying to save $.22/gallon.
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Too freaking much.

It's about $4.00.

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Old 04-24-2006, 01:12 PM   #139
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Too freaking much.

It's about $4.00.

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Old 04-24-2006, 04:55 PM   #140
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3.80

but diesel is 2.80 it hasnt changed other than gas pices not diesel
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but diesel is 2.80 it hasnt changed other than gas pices not diesel
Diesel by one of my houses (South Central PA) is more expensive than gas. You are lucky to see it the same price as 92 octane. I was not aware that diesel prices varied that much from state to state.
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:54 PM   #142
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Gas and diesel prices vary from not only state to state but also by city to city, based on how close you are to a refinery. The closer you are, the less transport costs and therefore, the lower price of the fuel.
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Too freaking much.

It's about $4.00.

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$2.99/gallon - South Hills area of Pittsburgh
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i should drive to Pittsburgh for gas.
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The Cheapest gas price is here is $2.69 a gallon. That is up from $0.12 since last week. Can you say OUCH!!!
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Umm.. perhaps you didn't read enough on the topic then. Biodiesel does not need to be blended with petrol. With little (and in some cases, none) modification, standard diesel engines can run on pure biodiesel. Biodiesel also burns much cleaner and is completely biodegradable.
Not at all, I read the entire article with extreme interest. It was too short for my liking so I looked at the paper written on the subject and it's previous stages and research. But they use the term bio-diesel which is a mixture of organic oils such as veggie oil and ethanol or methanol. They even mention that it is mixed with "alcohol" in the article. In fact the stuff currently uses some nasty chemicals like hydrochloric acid to make.


Conventional production involves dissolving a catalyst, such as sodium hydroxide, in alcohol, then stirring it into vegetable oil in large vats for about two hours. The mixture then has to sit for 12 to 24 hours while a slow chemical reaction forms bio-diesel along with glycerin, a byproduct.

The glycerin is separated and can be used to make other products, such as soaps, but it still contains the chemical catalyst, which must be neutralized and removed using hydrochloric acid, a long and costly process.


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I went searching for the possibilities of bio-diesel last year. The reality is that bio-diesel actually sold in commercial facilities outside of research uses fossil fuel based alcohol (methanol). That translates into by products of the Fossil fuels like coal or natural gas. They also use wood but in other words OIL (evil corporations and the vast right wing conspiracy). And that is about 80 percent or so in the mixture from what I could find. That is necessary to get the energy level high enough to drive a car. So you pay more and only save 20 percent on oil as a whole. What is VERY interesting about this is the ability to get a reactor and make your own bio-diesel. Assuming you have a huge field of corn and can refine that into veggie oil until there is a way to mass produce. Instead of investing in Sirius we should invest in some corn fields eh? At this point however they are unsure if the need for a catalyst would be eliminated. So you may still need that big vat of hydrochloric acid hanging about the farm. If we continue to put effort into these ideas though we will flourish into the future. Even though they will pollute the air more until that is figured out. I totally and support efforts in these areas. Even GW who gets NO credit for his budget expenditures and published research papers from the GOV. This process changes the way it's made, makes it easier less expensive and less dangerous. But IMO it does NOT change the ingredients. That is another step. One that is exciting. We have several ways we can go with alternative fuels.

The kicker would be going forward and producing the alcohol mixture from non-fossil based bio mass (ethanol). Which is already done In the form of fuel blends and pure forms. It's not supper cheap, well when prices hit 3 bucks for normal fuel it's in line. It's not even very available in most Blue states. If at all. It's the hick westerner Red states that use it. lol. But as Americans we can't pay 3 bucks a gallon let alone more it seems for alternatives? But in the future would total self reliance on alternative fuels make us invulnerable to market conditions and fluctuating prices?

Will we stop blaming CEOs and the president? Hell no, in could be worse! Evironmental factors of the national corn yield would be worse to predict than some hole in the ground spewing crude. And market prices will still dictate based on supply and demand. Here is another kicker... some of the reason (outside of Evil CEOs, OPEC, Bush and the vast right wing conspiracy) that each spring prices go crazy is the switch to summer based fuel mixtures. Why? So that we pollute less hydrocarbons in summer because of the higher heat. Isn't that what we want? And recently the GOV has been pushing the additive that prevents excess hydrocarbons to be more bio based which is MORE expensive. So are we REALLY willing to spend for better, more efficient and renewable fuels? The same thing happens in the fall when we switch blends again and causes flux.

A final note on ethanol, it's seems the driving force with its adaption in fuel additives and replacing the main bio-diesel ingredient (methyl ester) is government regulations and the desire to go "green"? But I bet there is very little interest of either E85 or any bio-renewable stations in the east? Any real interest outside of political yappin'
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The gas stations around me still stayed at $2.99 about all week, but their still alot of other gas stations are now over $3.00 for unleaded.
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Around $1.00 Canadian/ Litre....I have no f'ing clue what that works out to in U.S. $$$?
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Around $1.00 Canadian/ Litre....I have no f'ing clue what that works out to in U.S. $$$?
I know it's a lot!!! Last fall I paid about $0.95/liter for diesel in Saskatoon. Then the next day I found out that Alberta had cheaper fuel...:\
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