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Old 02-11-2007, 02:40 AM   #181
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Some of California's buses use 100% hydrogen
not denying that, but do you have more info on that? A link?
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not denying that, but do you have more info on that? A link?
Quite a few pages out there....

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogen...c_transit.html

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogen...ation/vta.html
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogen...n/sunline.html

http://www.calstart.org/programs/Fue...Bus_Source.php
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:34 AM   #183
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This is probably the best site to browse..


http://www.iags.org/links.html
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Natural gas cars make the most sense. All it takes to get it is drilling into landfills.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:15 PM   #185
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Natural gas cars make the most sense. All it takes to get it is drilling into landfills.
How much can you realistically get from that? Using that source for a power generator would probably be more practical application and everything helps.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:54 AM   #187
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hi blyons,

please look at manco's post on page 3 for the 20 hydrogen myths. i could not seem to repost just the link here, but it is still active, if you click it from manco's post.

i need to finish my posts on all 20.

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All the papers I have read state that to go from now to a hydrogen based economy will require DOUBLE the total electricity generating capacity of the US. That is quite and undertaking that would take decades. Whick is why a new president should be saying things like. I will do A or B. I will build 10 Nuclear power plants or I will build 1000 windmills.

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hi rc,

that was manco's biggest concern, as well, if i recall correctly.

i cant say that i know one way or the other if this is true or not.

but let's assume it is.

if it means building nuclear plants to use for the short term, during the switch over to hydrogen, then i am willing to take that risk - because the advantage to all of us of getting off oil is HUGE. our atmosphere will be better. our health care costs will plummet. and we wont be sending soldiers to get killed.

i am willing to take a look at a situation, and weigh its risk level versus its gain level.
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Here's something promissing...

Using existing bacteria to break down waste (sewage, plant material, etc) and produce Hydrogen. 2 birsd with one stone and all that...

http://www.livescience.com/technolog...gen_waste.html
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hi rc,

that was manco's biggest concern, as well, if i recall correctly.

i cant say that i know one way or the other if this is true or not.

but let's assume it is.

if it means building nuclear plants to use for the short term, during the switch over to hydrogen, then i am willing to take that risk - because the advantage to all of us of getting off oil is HUGE. our atmosphere will be better. our health care costs will plummet. and we wont be sending soldiers to get killed.

i am willing to take a look at a situation, and weigh its risk level versus its gain level.
I believe the risk can be managed. Nuclear power plants are used all over the globe and we have had 2 accidents. One severe. In the case of Chernobyl the reactor seemed to be severely under managed. But for the last 20 years... nothing?

So the real issue is the waste fuels. Realize there is uranium already in the ground so there already are dangers of contamination. Some countries are rich in the stuff. It seems most people are deathly afraid of polluting water. I say there are far greater risks of water pollution than uranium from a power plant.

So go way the f out into the deserts of Nevada or some state, drill down about 50,000 feet below any water table. In the desert that wouldn't really be an issue anyway? Or drill deeper, fill the hole with lead and concrete and shove the stuff in then seal it. With modern technology it's pretty safe. Remember we have been on this for decades and for christ sake they have blasted nuclear bombs off in the desert already. France blew them off in the oceans and other countries are doing it all the time. Has there been any major water issues? Not that I am aware off. A complete meltdown wouldn't even produce a fraction of what's already been out there. Which brings me to another point. There are plenty of open spaces in America where these plants could go. But it's taboo. Can't talk about it! BOO!

And once some other technology is realized they can be decomissioned. We could set up a panel to renew them every 10 years with authority to shut them down. But realize hydrogen will still require electricity.
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okay. how about this ?

lets start off with one state. perhaps it could be california, since we are furthest along the hydrogen highway.

build what nuclear plants we need for electricity. work out all the bugs, and bring the one state on.

once we have worked out the bugs, i dont know that we would need anywhere near as much electricity, as we would if we tried to do the entire country at once.
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okay. how about this ?

lets start off with one state. perhaps it could be california, since we are furthest along the hydrogen highway.

build what nuclear plants we need for electricity. work out all the bugs, and bring the one state on.

once we have worked out the bugs, i dont know that we would need anywhere near as much electricity, as we would if we tried to do the entire country at once.
so wait, we'd have to build more nuclear plants to make more electricity to make more hydrogen?

something doesn't seem right with that picture.
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the argument was assuming that this was true.

but it was also assuming that this was a short term situation.

however, i dont see anything wrong with that picture, necessarily.

could you be more specific ?
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so wait, we'd have to build more nuclear plants to make more electricity to make more hydrogen?

something doesn't seem right with that picture.
That is the issue we face in the current reality. Hydrogen isn't just floating around in a way we can use it to power locomotion. It has to be produced and transported to the fueling stations. Under pressure, much like natural gas. And the reason we use nuclear is because it makes ZERO sense to produce hydrogen using high carbon emission fuels.

There are many systems in test but the most feasible at present is electrolysis. Which needs electricity. ALOT of it. There are alread several projects going on:

http://www.nrel.gov/hydrogen/laboratory.html#dertf

So, I like gymejets idea. The US energy dept should fund a nuclear powerplant and limited distribution system. That is concrete and not fluff. Or give a contract with some guarentees. Bush has alread funded a few billion dollars for other projects in this arena so I think the money can be easily obtained using GW as a basis for politics. But good luck getting a powerplant using fission in California.
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