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Old 11-10-2005, 06:28 PM   #46
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urban vehicle in the UK. Little dated perhaps but new and interesting to me or some others. I have been thinking, we all know the outcome of excess carbon dioxide. What about billions of hydrogen fuel cells emitting water vapor? Harmless yes but how will earth the entity take it?
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Has there been any crash test studies on Hydrogen fueled vehicle's?
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Considering they only go about 30 at max... no. Although I have been to the lab where all those crash movies are filmed and they are only going about 40pmh when that dummy goes crashing through the window.
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hi rc,

interesting article. as far as extra water vapor, maybe we would get one more day of rain a year.
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That one more day could result on global warming.
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i have become somewhat less excited about us really moving into the hydrogen economy.

a segment on 60 minutes talked about the "oil sands" in alberta, canada. i had never heard of them. but the estimated reserves of oil there are estimated to perhaps be 8 times what is currently in saudi arabia.
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Yes that is true. Add to that our own untapped resources and I wager we'll be bugged for oil for another couple of centuries. Add to that, I bet there are some secret oil vaults as well. It's amazing how much of the stuff their is. All from ancient biological entities.

//EDIT however there is a saving grace, world consumption continues to rise as other countries industrialize. Higher prices could drive market inovation?
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hi rc,

i dont see much saving grace. i had heard as a kid about how much oil we had left.

apparently, these sands have been in operation for awhile. but they probably are not widely known to the average joe.

many of the 3rd world countries are beginning to wake up, such as a billion from china, etc. but this just means that more oil will be produced and sold to more people (possibly more than twice what might have been sold), which will only mean twice the pollution, etc. that goes along with oil consumption.

i really believed that this iraq war had convinced the wealthy that middle east oil was more of a pain than it was worth. but i dont see them giving it up for the better health of us and our planet.

i do believe that we will eventually need to go there, but it may still be centuries away. i will wait and see - our best flag will be the auto industry, in terms of where they are going. i would think for sure that that will be the first thing that is hydrogenized. so until we can see some real progress along that line, i will wait. what they have done so far could still be just a smokescreen - enough to bring them knowledge about what to do when they do it, but not so much that they need to do it any time soon - just my take, at the moment, with the information of which i am aware.
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I've been to northern Alberta (Fort MacMurray) where the oil sands are. The Canadians all seem a little perplexed that the US doesn't seem interested in them as an oil producer. I think it will happen, eventually.

I've also heard about oil shale here in the US. I've also heard of the conversion of coal into oil distillates, ie octane. It's all market driven. When it is much cheaper to produce and refine oil from the above than it is to buy oil from OPEC, then it will happen.
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It may also be a military strategy.
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the governor of montana is pushing to mine tons of coal in eastern montana to make a synfuel. 60 minutes segment today.
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That is interesting but it's still fossil based.
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yes, it is a long-term stopgap solution.

however, it is 1) cheaper than gasoline (with taxes about 1.80 a gallon).

2) the coal is gassified instead of burnt, so the fuel is very clean.

3) the emission of carbon dioxide would be pumped back into the ground instead of into the air.

all in all, it seemed like a reasonable plan to help get us out of middle east to a large extent.
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We'd be better off using renewable sources, like say, 85 Ethanol.
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until the hydrogen economy is fully functional, however long that is - we may indeed be looking at using several sources.

here is an article on e85
http://www.ilcorn.org/Ethanol/85__Et...__ethanol.html

the amusing thing about it is them talking about the emission standards that cars must meet in 95, 96, etc. - all those rules that the car companies always get delayed.
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