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Old 03-13-2006, 01:31 PM   #76
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Global warming is the least of my concerns. Growing dependence on the government IS along with many social issues. the removal of self reliance in favor of external reliance for everything. Fact is the earth is warming up. But is it normal? NO ONE can say for sure. I have posted very scientific data here in the past. Data on global weather patterns, predicted changes and past cycles. I also posted data on how much fossil fuel emanations the atmosphere can absorb and data correlating that to global warming or not. So outside of the global warming doomsday sect, there just isn't enough data. And even if it does we do not produce anthing near the natural earth processes in terms of green house gases. But that doesn't mean I don't think this country should NOt spend money on research.

We are spending a lot in fact. Even Bush has a global warming initiative. Just because a vast majority of us think we have to live in large smog filled rat infested societies does not mean the whole planet is that way. There is also another religion that believes alternative fuels aren't being used because man is greedy. They just don't exist in viable form yet. Applaud those initiatives that remove the burden of fossil fuels and wasted space in the form of extra high way lanes over mass transit but be leery of the ghost that is global warming outside of natural occurrences and cycles of the geological world. Those same cultists said the earth would die before the end of the last century back in the 70s. If anything it is MUCH better and we have surpassed the supposed death number of world inhabitants by 2 billion now, and counting. We were all supposed to starve to death at 4 billion. We are now at what 6?

Common sense and rationality does not equate to a destructive political stance. If you worry about your kids worry about a world locked in turmoil over centuries old disputes and the corruption of the masses by and ever increasing reliance on those who pull the strings.
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http://www.cafcp.org/fuel-vehl_cars.html

above is from the state site - gives a little blurb about each of the various car companies progress.
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above is from the state site - gives a little blurb about each of the various car companies progress.
Is it just me or are those cars very un-aerodynamic?
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:34 PM   #79
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hi pa,

i am not really a car-person, so i dont know much about them. i am more interested in them, for the ecology.

i know i am the exception here in the states, but i dont care what the car looks like, as long as it gets me from a to b.

although, i realize that if it is more aerodynamic, it is better for the ecology. although if we ever get to hydrogen with fuel cells, there is no pollution.
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I agree with you, I was just surprised at how boxy they look. Actually I don't think Hydrogen is the way to go, I think we need to put more money in Ethanol development and Hemp Oil (a form of ethanol). The reason I say that is if we go to hydrogen we will have to redo every gas station. If you use ethanol then you can use the existing infrastructure. Also with hemp, you can make hemp as soft as cotton (but much stronger), you can make it into 'wood' that would be much better than conventional lumber to build houses, and you can use it as a fuel that has no emissions. Not to mention we would have to legalize the cultivation of hemp which would help our economy. Right now the US is the leading consumer of hemp in the world but we can't cultivate it in the US...that makes a lot of sense! Sorry if I went a bit off topic but you really can’t have a discussion about one alternative fuel without mentioning the others.
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do you have any urls to send our way, especially regarding hemp with no emissions ?
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do you have any urls to send our way, especially regarding hemp with no emissions ?
Sorry, I didn't get an email saying there was a reply. I will look for that information and post it today.
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do you have any urls to send our way, especially regarding hemp with no emissions ?

Here is a direct link to some facts about hemp:
http://www.hempcar.org/hempfacts.shtml
I'd suggest going the homepage browsing through the site and reading what it has to say. I'll post other links as I get time.

I guess I shouldn't have said no emissions (it has been a while since I read about the use of hemp) but the emissions are extremely low.
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the ONLY reason we are not already using hydrogen is the oil industry.

now, i expect several posts telling me all the "troubles" we have with hydrogen. so dont disappoint me. cr, you are first on the list.

my reply is simple, so i will reply ahead of time. all these things "that we must still overcome" could have already been overcome a long time ago, had the oil industry wanted to transfer over to hydrogen.

and believe me, all these things "that we must still overcome" would disappear so fast that it would make your head spin - IF - the oil industry could not sell us gasoline any more.

so please dont be fooled with any of the rhetoric that you hear.
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The United States is only 1 of over 200 countries many with very good science programs and many with more to gain from alternative fuels than us. So therefore it is also rhetoric to assume that non-progression in hydrogen is based solely on the evil oil empires. Especially since from a military standpoint that would provide a great advantage to any country.
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Sorry I'm late, gym.

Okay, I'll limit this to one and only one problem. Where does the energy to split off hydrogen in anything like the amounts of energy we consume come from?

Come up with a way to do it that won't bankrupt the US, much less be out of reach of developing nations and I'll climb aboard the Hydrogen Haywagon. I'll be a-whooping and a-hollering! One other caveat: I won't be climbing aboard for seizing or nationalizing assets. Anyone who thinks that's okay should be living in Venezuela.
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hi cr,

the hydrogen industry will come in steps. from what i have read, we will first burn it.

but in the end, we will be getting hydrogen from water, running an electric engine, and emitting water vapor.

no doubt we will be more efficient in the future, as new ideas come along, but we will use electricity, i suppose, to get our hydrogen.

the overwhelming savings will be with our automobiles. the oil that we use in the refineries for electricity, can be very efficient. our automobiles are 15-20% efficient. by that, i mean that only about 15-20% of the energy burned actually goes to make the car move. with a hydrogen car, it would be 100% or close to it.

so our waste, all around, is minimal - unlike today.

since i already know that the oil industry will more than likely control the hydrogen industry when it comes about, i just wish they would take control now, and be done with all this cloak and dagger about all the problems there are.

it sounds like the cancer and heart associations telling me that they are working hard to find a cure. who's kidding who ? if anything, they are working hard not to find a cure.
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i also forgot to add that we would be able to breathe again.

much of our medical costs has to do with the pollution in the air - just another added benefit.
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where I live the sky is clean... for now. All the east/west coast polluters are moving out here so maybe 10 years from now it may be different. But for now it's clear skies.
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The United States is only 1 of over 200 countries many with very good science programs and many with more to gain from alternative fuels than us. So therefore it is also rhetoric to assume that non-progression in hydrogen is based solely on the evil oil empires. Especially since from a military standpoint that would provide a great advantage to any country.
can you think of something that some other country has had before we had ?
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