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Old 01-01-2006, 07:23 PM   #241
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A little interesting thing I thought about when watching the movie the passion of the christ yesterday, It seems to me that "Jesus" is a David Koresh and is leading a cult similar to the branch davidians. To say that these people who wrote about him are absolutely telling the truth is irrational in itself because nobody knows if its truth.


All I can say is after watching the movie, Jesus has that David Koresh link in my eyes.
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Old 01-03-2006, 11:48 AM   #242
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Then Bill Clinton is the Jewish Council and the Romans.
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Old 01-03-2006, 11:58 AM   #243
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It seems to me that "Jesus" is a David Koresh and is leading a cult similar to the branch davidians.
Jesus just had a better publicist.
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god exists. that is an irrational statement, ld.

god does not exist. that is an irrational statement, amnesia.

so are both of you irrational ? none of us know for sure whether he exists or not. all rational thought processes about it include some DOUBT.
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Old 01-06-2006, 09:18 AM   #245
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god does not exist. that is an irrational statement, amnesia.
No it's not. Rational thought and logic tell us not to believe in things despite a lack of evidence.
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Old 01-06-2006, 10:39 AM   #246
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of course it is. you are stating for a fact that god does not exist, when you dont know that. that is irrational.

now if you were to say that your belief is that you sincerely doubt that god exists, then that would be different.

you dont seem to see that you are doing the same thing that the 100% theist does when he says that god exists.

to say something is definitive, without definitive proof is irrational.
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of course it is. you are stating for a fact that god does not exist, when you dont know that. that is irrational.
What if someone says that Santa Claus does not exist? Or the Easter Bunny? Or the Tooth Fairy?

Actually the Tooth Fairy is the best example. If someone says that the Tooth Fairy does not exist, are they being irrational?

How is that different from saying that a god does not exist?
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very different.

think about it some, and i will reply to you tomorrow, if you have not already figured out the answer for yourself.
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very different.
It is no different.
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he's asking his priest. My friends always do that. Consult the priest. Like when I ask them why Jesus doesn't save the souls of Children in Africa who live in the bush and neve confront white man.
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Old 01-06-2006, 09:08 PM   #251
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lol rc,

a priest is the last person i would ask. i have been done with the catholic church for a long time - but amnesia already knows that.

hi amnesia,

well the 3 examples that you gave were poor choices, in that all 3 of them were purposely invented for little kids, and were never thought to be real.

but i understood what you were trying to get across.

the difference is - ghosts, etc. are by definition things that exist in this world. this is how we define them. and as such, they would be subject to the same laws that we are.

but i would not entirely discount the thought that there could be life forms in this universe that we can not see. they could be in the form of energy - that is at least in the realm of possibility.

but as far as the ghost of a dead person - at least i would say that is very farfetched - although i can not definitively say that it doesnt exist - i would certainly say that i would probably place it about as close to zero as possible.

but god, by definition, is said to "exist" outside of our realm of this universe. what could be out there is anybody's guess, and i can not discount anything about that, since i do not have, and never will have any information about what is outside our black box, while i am living my life inside the black box.

so once again, i will tell you that someone who says god exists or that god does not exist, says so irrationally - for they have no conclusive evidence to support a 100% decision like that.

i certainly do not believe that you have no doubt. you have way too much interest in the topic. whether you will admit that to me at this point is doubtful. but you display all the signs of someone who once believed, is now very disenchanted, but still searching within. i have known many people who have gone thru this, including someone from my immediate family.

however, i am ever so happy to admit to you that i have some doubt as to whether there is a god. i will say that my belief is fairly strong that there is one. but since i cant prove that, i must admit that i have some doubt - just as i would with any other similar situation.
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well the 3 examples that you gave were poor choices, in that all 3 of them were purposely invented for little kids, and were never thought to be real.
I bet there are tens of millions of people in the world who believe that Santa Claus is real. Sure, maybe they're all children, but still.

And you could say the same thing about religion---that it's all just invented stories. One man's religion is another man's mythology.

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so once again, i will tell you that someone who says god exists or that god does not exist, says so irrationally - for they have no conclusive evidence to support a 100% decision like that.
You don't need conclusive evidence to not believe in something. You need conclusive evidence to believe in something.

What if someone said that Ouija boards really work. If you stated "no, they don't", would that be irrational? No. It's not irrational to require evidence before believing in something. In fact, it's irrational not to.
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you are still missing the 2 major points.

first, i did not say that you were irrational for not believing in god. i said you were irrational to say conclusively without a doubt that god does not exist. big difference. i would say the same thing to someone who claims to know that god does exist.

ouija boards are of this world. god is not, and therefore not subject to this world's realities.
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i do agree with your statement about religion and mythology, though.

i believe that the overwhelming portion of "religion" is nothing more than the wealthy gaining "mind control" over the masses.

a religious group's main goal is power to control masses of people. it is not about spreading the tidings, etc. however, that may be the main goal of its adherents.

assuming for the moment that jesus is connected with god, i seriously doubt that he would find the hierarchy of any of the christian sects to be in tune with his message.
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i said you were irrational to say conclusively without a doubt that god does not exist.
Let's go back to Santa.

Perhaps the whole "invented story" thing is just a front. Maybe he really does exist and he really does deliver toys on Christmas day.

Are you irrational to say conclusively without a doubt that Santa Claus does not exist?
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