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Old 01-18-2006, 01:35 PM   #316
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lock this thread! Its all been figured out according to the washington post
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Old 01-19-2006, 12:12 AM   #318
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the next food for thought is this. we are all going to take a dirt nap at some point. any of us could die tomorrow or 50 years from now. taking the otherside of the debate if their is no god then their is no heaven.

so what does everyone believe will happen when you die if their is no god? Is that it? do we just turn into worm food? i think a way cool place awaits for everyone who likes coolness
Do you remember where you were before you were born? Of course not, you did not exist. That is the same place you are going when you die. We are all going to be nonexistent again sooner or later.

Yes, faith is nice, and I envy those people who have it, but it is not the truth for me.

welcome to sirius. i'm definitely not here to argue or tell anyone what u should or shouldn't believe. everyone has free will to decide what you wish to believe. i'm just sharing what a stoner believes.


my belief is that our souls or spirits did exist before and that after we die our soul or spirits will go to either heaven or hell


faith is simple yet very complicated. the very definition of faith in the dictionary is belief without evidence.
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Old 01-19-2006, 07:25 PM   #319
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Do you change your life because of a what-if?
You betcha. What if I move to California where the chicks are hot? For example. Or what if I go to the Nudie bar instead of going home?

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Maybe, but what about scientific discoveries like evolution, and the fact that we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees.
That does not derail my thought. Unraveling DNA is part of growing up to become the commanders of our universal sack of space. 2 percent separation of chemicals and protiens between us and monkey boy. Scary isn't it. One minor insignificant genetic mutations produced a being cabable of constructing it's own origns. Imagine the next one.... our species is young in the scheme of time.
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Old 01-24-2006, 06:28 PM   #320
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To me, this is one of the most self-serving concepts of religion.

Christianity preaches of a heaven filled with the good (sounds boring to me). Islam preaches of a heaven with 72 virgins...

But no religion (that I know of) gives any real basis for their claims. No one from the afterlife has come back to confirm things...

Why do people still believe? Baffling...
i would agree that many religions have used this concept to brainwash people into doing what the higher-ups want. but there is a huge difference between religion and spirituality.

why does "good" sound "boring" ? the 2 things are not at all associated with one another. the concept of "good" in this situation is to separate it from "bad". "good", in general terms, is defined as something one likes, whereas "bad" is something one doesnt like.

i think it is pretty darn GOOD to have GOOD all the time. we sure cant get it down here, even though most of us try to get as much GOOD as we can.

i can understand why you find it baffling that people would continue to believe something without proof. but like i said earlier, all of us have some doubts. during our stay here on earth, if we can manage to live a righteous life, this is as much as we can control.
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Old 01-24-2006, 06:41 PM   #321
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why does "good" sound "boring" ? (...) "good", in general terms, is defined as something one likes, whereas "bad" is something one doesnt like.
I meant that if the Christian heaven is filled with people who fit the Christian ideal of "good", then I don't think I'd find it very interesting.

Now if it were filled with my idea of "good", that'd be another story!
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lol amnesia,

assuming god and heaven exist, i doubt that either of us could even begin to conjure what heaven is like, with our mindsets. probably similar to an insect understanding calculus - just too far beyond.

i think we probably all make the mistake of thinking of it along some sort of terms which make us happy - like the 72 virgins in the muslim world. (something based on what makes our bodies happy here on earth)

but i think of it along the terms of that our spirit will be happy - because it will be receiving what it wants/needs, WHATEVER THAT IS.

i know that sounds like a "happiness pill", and perhaps it is, given our limited abilities to actually understand it all.
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in other words, try to think of a moment in your life, when you might have had real peace, bliss, happiness, etc.

now untie the event that was occurring FROM the way that you were feeling.

this way that you were feeling is how you will feel all the time. but it is no longer based on the event that was occurring.

when you think of it that way, it is no wonder why people want to believe in it. heck, i want to believe in it too. and for the most part, i do - with the exception of my doubts.
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Like the Islamic version of naked virgins? Hell yes. Oh that's a pun considering this thought. What if - there I go again, what if...

Heaven and Hell are business partners... If someone evil goes to hell then he is in "heaven" he enjoys the pain and suffering because it is more intense than anything he has experienced on earth. He likes to be naked and reduced among his peers in the realm of fire. The very thought makes him smile. So he goes to heaven where he is tormented by the light and everyone is nice to him. He is forced to wear robes and play chess with the priests who condemned him on earth.

Personally I find Valhallan interesting because I too picture heaven as boring especially the Mormon one. What if there is no color? Only white shirts with black ties! AGHHHHGHGH. That would be my hell, so if I am bad I would go to Mormon "heaven" or get stuck in what the catholics call purgatory while awaiting my sentence where I am eventually "beamed" out of my space time slot to some outer universe position where heaven in one dimension and hell in another. That white light we see *must* be the inter-dimensional beaming apparatus?

So if these places physically exist, what would stop us from placing a soul beacon on someone and tracing it, perhaps 20000 years into the future. And to that matter, when rapture comes does that signify the end of the universe or just mankind? Would god's experiment be complete at that time? Tossing in the towel and saying, that was a bad idea?
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i doubt that either of us could even begin to conjure what heaven is like, with our mindsets.
yet you go ahead and try to explain it anyway...

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in other words, try to think of a moment in your life, when you might have had real peace, bliss, happiness, etc.

now untie the event that was occurring FROM the way that you were feeling.

this way that you were feeling is how you will feel all the time.
how silly, not to mention contradictory.
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the only thing that is silly is your continuing display of childish, immature behavior.

do you know the definition of contradictory ? there is nothing in that statement of mine that is contradictory.

as i asked you before, give it up - you have no real contribution to this thread, other than to be obstinate.
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the only thing that is silly is your continuing display of childish, immature behavior.

do you know the definition of contradictory ? there is nothing in that statement of mine that is contradictory.

as i asked you before, give it up - you have no real contribution to this thread, other than to be obstinate.
it's absolutely contradictory.

first you say no one can "conjure"what heaven is like, and then you go on to profess what heaven can feel like.

not only is it contradictory, it's plain nonsense and gibberish.

I think you're the one who needs to give it up. your childish contradictions are hardly a contribution.
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the only thing that is silly is your continuing display of childish, immature behavior.

do you know the definition of contradictory ? there is nothing in that statement of mine that is contradictory.

as i asked you before, give it up - you have no real contribution to this thread, other than to be obstinate.
it's absolutely contradictory.

first you say no one can "conjure"what heaven is like, and then you go on to profess what heaven can feel like.

not only is it contradictory, it's plain nonsense and gibberish.

I think you're the one who needs to give it up. your childish contradictions are hardly a contribution.

i have to admit, you have a reall good point. can't wait for the response.
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explaining how one might "feel" is completely different from talking about what heaven is like.

what i was explaining to amnesia is that "good" was not necessarily how we define it here on earth.

rather that our spirits are supposed to be happy, because they will be in the environment that makes them happy, whatever that environment will be.

i am saying that it is doubtful that any of us, given our limited capabilities, would really be able to understand what heaven actually is. but whatever it is, it will make us happy.

lets say that eating a chocolate bar makes you happy. so does eating an ice cream cone. the bar and cone are different, yet both things make you happy.

now you ask me about the taste of popcorn. i tell you that there is no way to describe a taste. it is something that you need to experience yourself. however, it makes most people feel happy.

so one is not describing heaven when one says that heaven will make you happy. rather one is describing one's feelings when they are in heaven, making no description of what heaven is like.

which is exactly what i have said.
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i am saying that it is doubtful that any of us, given our limited capabilities, would really be able to understand what heaven actually is. but whatever it is, it will make us happy.
But how do you know that? Because it was written down in a book 2000 years ago?
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