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Old 02-06-2006, 03:05 PM   #436
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Wow you like to bring up Liberal in just about any post you can. Good for you jerky!
You betcha. But perhaps you didn't notice my smiley, LIBERAL. There I did it again. But seriously while LIBERALS scream about the Christian Right Wing political army, sometimes it's them that scares me more. You can call me a right wing neocon nazi political nut ball wingnut zombie if you like. Oh wait you already called me Jerky, you used it up already. So you don't think Liberals reading the Communist Manifesto in Central Park don't have a government control fetish? I wasn't referring to all democrat or liberals. More like Socialists and Leninist. Marxism even perhaps?

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Old 02-12-2006, 10:59 PM   #437
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god must exist - we had an absolutely beautiful summer sunday today at the beach !!!!!
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god must exist - we had an absolutely beautiful summer sunday today at the beach !!!!!
And what does that say for NYC, which got walloped with 2 foot of snow?
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:23 AM   #439
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god must exist - we had an absolutely beautiful summer sunday today at the beach !!!!!
And what does that say for NYC, which got walloped with 2 foot of snow?
At least NYC knows how to deal with the 2 feet of snow. I will guarantee that on April 1st, 2006, the remnats of this storm will still be clogging up parking spaces in downtown Philly especially around the Market East section of Center City.
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god must exist - we had an absolutely beautiful summer sunday today at the beach !!!!!
And what does that say for NYC, which got walloped with 2 foot of snow?
God obviously hates nyc with a republican mayor and governor.
you know god only loves liberals.......hahahaha.
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NY as a liberal Senator. The head rat so to speak.

Still can't figure out how you peeps elected someone that is supposed to represent your state and your needs that ... ah never mind. What's good for Arkansas is good for NYC.
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Old 02-13-2006, 11:17 AM   #442
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And what does that say for NYC, which got walloped with 2 foot of snow?
that they didnt get 3 feet of snow ?
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I guess he forgot about those states!
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NY as a liberal Senator. The head rat so to speak.

Still can't figure out how you peeps elected someone that is supposed to represent your state and your needs that ... ah never mind. What's good for Arkansas is good for NYC.
I hardly think any of my senators are liberal.

But, granted that, thank GOD someone has some left leaning senators...shit, otherwise the GOD awful corrupt religious right would be taking over the world...I mean, they already are.

and while we're on the subject of religious right assholes:
CAN ANYONE SAY "DICK CHENEY'S A BAD SHOT?????????" HAHHAA
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The religious right is taking over? I think it's completely opposite and has been for the past 100 years of so. I also think it really has nothing to do with politics, it's a natural progression. Seen many times in the past.
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:19 PM   #447
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"For mankind so loved the god they made, they also created for him a son."

God is every bit as real as the easter bunny, santa, and the tooth fairy. Unfortunately there are some that refuse to let go of the last remaining myth of childhood.

Looking back through history christianity is a lot like the Borg in Star Trek, "You will be assimilated, resistance is futile." Many people have tried and died resisting.

On top of that christianity has bastardized all of the Pagan holidays and customs while assimilating people over the years. Ever notice that the major religious holidays coincide with the Pagan holidays? ie the winter solstice and XMas? Spring Equiox, and easter. Where do you think the Xmas trees came from, pagan tree of lights. easter eggs, pagan fertility symbol.

Top that off with the fact that they couldn't even create their own myths. They had to plagiarize the greeks. Hercules is still the original son of god. A man come down from the heavens to walk on earth.

Unfortunatly they have dug their roots in so deep they have even screwed up the calandar just to force their mythology on everyone. (A smart move to ensure the myth would stick around). But like all the religions that came before, sooner or later it will become known as christian mythology.

Even in this country, they're still messing things up. Don't be fooled, we don't live in a democracy, we live in a theocracy led by "values" that are forcebly imposed on the masses influenced by the mythology known as christianity.

Abolition was a prime example of just how wrong the religious "right" is and was. Forcing their hatred for alcohol on the masses was a mistake that was later corrected.

Yet they still persist relentlessly, some more modern examples. Abortion should remain a choice. Choice=freedom. If you have religious objections, don't have one. But don't deny others the freedom of choice because you object. Stem cell research, what legitimate argument can there be for stifling the advacement of science?

Here's the most recent crusade. Gay marriage, how can equality for all "threaten" anybody? While I may not personally endorse it , what gives these "borgs" the right to take away the freedom and rights of others?
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Old 02-15-2006, 06:56 AM   #448
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Wow--that's quite a response. I would challenge that it is a little closed minded and would offer these responses.

First of all I thought I was an atheist, but was told I'm an agnostic. I frankly have no appeciation for definitive proof of the existence of an devine being. Still, I do believe that there is something common to people in the brain and psyche that gives rise to God and the perception seems very real. The influence can be very constructive and beautiful and at times unfortunately with fundamentalism can lead to destructive influences.

There may even be atheist fundamentalism and examples are seen in you replies to the issues of abortion, stem cell research, and gay marriage. Not all atheists or agnostics (me included) share your views. Gymeejet in the Political Asylum has bumped two threads where the very issues you have discussed were addressed. There is also a gay marriage thread out there somewhere.

Let me summarize my opposing objections without rehashing all of it.

My opposition to abortion is based upon a value for human life that is not dependent upon the existence of God. We do not know when and embryo or fetus becomes truly alive so we should err on the side of preserving not destroying the life. I understand that this may compromise an option to the mother but that's a cost I feel that we must accept. The fact that I am male and could never be in the circumstance of carrying an unwanted pregnancy is an interesting thought--then again I have never been a participant (and yes the oppportunties were there and I am biologically able to be a father--got two kids) in an unwanted pregnancy so I think that gives me a bit of an entitlement to my opinion.

My opposition to stem cell research involves exploring a technology that we truly don't understand. Messing with the genetic code before all of the ethics are in place. I also believe that much of the benefits of stem cell research are pie in the sky stuff and decades away. So let's study the full ethics of the situation before we start manipulating human cell lines.

As far as gay marriage, look two people can consider themselves married all they want, emotionally they don't need the state for that. The issue is does the state extend to a gay couple the same insurance, tax, and other economic benefits as to a straight couple? As far as legal and end of life decisions--a gay couple can get a power of attorney from a 10 dollar piece of software at Office Depot if they are so inclinced. So why does the government extend these advantages to the straight couple?--why should two single people collectively, just because they choose to live single lives, pay more insurance and tax than a married couple? The answer is the one thing a straight couple can provide that the society needs to continue to exist--you guessed it, children. Perhaps we should change the way that insurance and other issues are addressed to apply to children of the effort to have children. Seems a bit pragmatic and cold in its own right--but I think really that's were the rub lies.

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The answer is the one thing a straight couple can provide that the society needs to continue to exist--you guessed it, children.
If anything, your logic says the laws should be reversed. We have too many children. Let's legitimize gay marriage and make straight marriage illegal.

Seriously, though, it's crazy to think that the issue of legalization of gay marriage is related to children. It's still legal for a 80-year-old couple to marry, right? What different should it make if it's an old man and and old woman or two old women?
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The answer is the one thing a straight couple can provide that the society needs to continue to exist--you guessed it, children.
If anything, your logic says the laws should be reversed. We have too many children. Let's legitimize gay marriage and make straight marriage illegal.

Seriously, though, it's crazy to think that the issue of legalization of gay marriage is related to children. It's still legal for a 80-year-old couple to marry, right? What different should it make if it's an old man and and old woman or two old women?
Actually marriage is one thing and the economic advantages are in my opionion the real issue. Frankly, if you want to say your married and emotionally be married, and live together there's nothing illegal about it. The issue if the legal acceptance of marriage rights like insurance, taxes, asset protection, and such for same-sex couples.

I grant that end of life decisions and such also are in there but there are easy enough end arounds for that.

By the way I am not opposed to tying these legal advantages to children.

If I am single and I pay 100 month for health insurance, and these is a married couple (no kids) who pay 120 month for insuring the two of them, why should the single person pick up the disproportionately high bill. Unless the married couple offers society something society wouldn't have otherwise--kids. I know it sounds Orwellian but to me at least it makes some sense.

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