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Old 03-06-2006, 10:03 PM   #496
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i believe this is also true for atheists like you amnesia. so i expect to see you right up there with me.
And I expect you to end up as permanently dead as me.
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Old 03-08-2006, 12:14 AM   #497
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well i am the only one with a chance of being able to say "i told you so".
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Old 03-10-2006, 12:59 AM   #498
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this poem was sent to me in email. hope you guys like it.

As I was walking down life's highway many years ago,

I came upon a sign that read Heavens Grocery Store.

When I got a little closer, the doors swung open wide.

And when I came to myself, I was standing inside.

I saw a host of angels. They were standing everywhere.

One handed me a basket, and said "My child shop with care."

Everything a human needed was in that grocery store.

And what you could not carry, you could come back for more.

First I got some Patience. Love was in that same row.

Further down was Understanding. You need that everywhere you go.

I got a box or two of Wisdom and Faith a bag or two.

And Charity of course. I would need some of that too.

I couldn't miss the Holy Ghost. It was all over the place.

And then some Strength and Courage to help me run this race.

My basket was getting full but I remembered I needed Grace.

And then I chose Salvation for Salvation was for free.

I tried to get enough of that to do for you and me.

Then I started to the counter to pay my grocery bill,

For I thought I had everything to do the Masters will.

As I went up the aisle, I saw Prayer and put that in.

For I knew when I stepped outside, I would run into sin.

Peace and Joy were plentiful, the last things on the shelf.

Song and Praise were hanging near, so I just helped myself.

Then I said to the angel - "Now how much do I owe?"

He smiled and said - "Just take them everywhere you go."

Again I asked - "Really now, How much do I owe?"

"My child" he said, "God paid your bill a long long time ago."
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Old 03-20-2006, 03:34 AM   #499
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Physicists announced Thursday that they now have the smoking gun that shows the universe went through extremely rapid expansion in the moments after the big bang, growing from the size of a marble to a volume larger than all of observable space in less than a trillion-trillionth of a second.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...adlines-nation

hi rc,

i thought i recalled reading that "inflation" was going from microscopic to the size of a marble "instantaneously". is that not correct ?

now they are talking about going from the size of a marble to one of observable space "instantaneously".

is this just an expansion on the inflation theory ? or had they always been talking about it on that large of a scope.

the thing i dont understand is that it seems to me that we have no idea how old the universe is, since we have no idea how far it extends past our ability to measure it. although i have read that some scientists speculate what we cant "see" is a lot larger than what we can see.

interesting stuff, for sure.
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Back on physics?

Hi gymeejet,

Since we are trying to figure out what happened there are no absolutes. But there are things where evidence makes one theoretical principle more appealing than another.

I have to digest the article. I have stated this before if I recall. Stating one theory that represents this article. Remember this though, we are talking about space. Not the things in it. Just the "sack". We already have concluded that "space" again not the things in it can "expand" faster than light. But again at this point I have not read the article. I have also noted the proof of cosmic background radiation and a probe that would read it with more precision. This may be the result of that?
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Old 03-25-2006, 09:45 PM   #501
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Is there a God? Of course not.

God would not allow the shittiness that is Hawthorne Heights to be played on Alt Nation or Faction.

In the words of NFL Agent Drew Rosenhaus: "Next question"
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every time Hawthorne heights comes on I change the channel. Another example of some ass trying to shove a "hit" down our gullet when the band sucks.
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Old 03-30-2006, 09:28 PM   #503
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I was listening to Hannity the other day (first time ever) on Sirius and he read a paper or passage which was submitted by a student a while back. It was an extra credit answer on a test regarding hell. Did anybody else hear it? The kid came to the conclusion that hell has frozen over and we are currently in hell. Believe it or not, it was quite logical.
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http://www.boston.com/news/world/mid...res_awe_wrath/

fairly interesting story. i wasnt aware that judas had written a gospel or account or whatever.

i would ask one obvious question, though, that no one seems to mention. if judas had betrayed christ, as has been depicted - what is the big deal about him attempting to lie about it ?
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hi amnesia,

i have been thinking about our various discussions regarding prayer.

i dont say one way or the other whether i actually believe that prayer helps, but the belief of god giving us free will does not completely eradicate the belief that prayer helps.

the prayee could still receive enlightenment, guidance, etc. so while free will does eliminate, at least i think so, the ability for us to have actual intervention in an event - it does not preclude us from possibly receiving an awareness of sorts.
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it does not preclude us from possibly receiving an awareness of sorts.
But that's not what people claim; they're not saying that the subject of prayers is "enlightened"---they're saying that the subject is magically healed.
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hi amnesia,

i was not attempting to validate anyone's claims.

but even as i think further, "healing" a person might not go against the "free will" theory, either. for god knows what a person thinks, and allowing him to be healed when said person wants to be healed - i think that can be interpreted as not breaking the free will theory.

that does not mean i believe it, or not. at least i would not want to positively rule out or rule in the above. but i think i tend to believe that god does not "heal" us, in the way that many describe, such as miraculously removing a cancer, etc. - but i think it is much more likely that we do receive enlightenment of sorts, but i dont know which side of the fence i fall on that one, either.

non-christians, such as yourself, tend to enjoy talking to me about the topic of god, because i am willing to be logical about it. i have learned to accept the fact that i cant know whether or not god exists for sure. earlier in my life, there was never ever an inkling of a thought that god did not exist. that is how i was brainwashed.

and many people who are still completely brainwashed, sometimes think that i am insulting god, or being sacreligious. i tell them the following.

one verse in the bible refers to jesus saying something like "you have seen, therefore you believe. blessed are those who will not have seen, but still believed".

i think that this very statement tells us that it is not part of god's plan for us to "know" that god exists. but i think it is part of god's plan for us to struggle with our spirituality. those people who have never escaped their brainwashing - have not reached any higher spiritual levels, yet. it is easy to believe in something that you think is 100% true.

but when one is willing to place that belief on the line, and then willing to admit that said belief can not be proven, therefore no longer necessarily 100% true - that is where one needs to strengthen one's spirituality, to continue to believe.

it took me about 38 years to reach the point of being willing to admit that i dont know for sure that god exists. and believe me, i would like nothing better than to bury my head once again in the sand, so that i could know for sure that god exists. that is a whole lot easier. but i guess "easy" is not part of god's plan for us.

they always say that a certain amount of struggle in our lives helps us to grow. perhaps that is true on the spiritual realm as well.
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for god knows what a person thinks, and allowing him to be healed when said person wants to be healed - i think that can be interpreted as not breaking the free will theory.
I think a more clear-cut example is when you talk about other people praying for someone to be healed. Say, when a kid is in a coma and her parents pray for her to get better.

The question is: is it possible for the prayers to have an effect? That is: is it possible that the child's condition will be different based upon whether or not the parents pray to their god?

Let's say for a moment that the answer is "yes". Then to me, the natural question is "how come some people get better with prayer and others do not?"

I can think of three possibilities:
  1. "God" likes some people better than others and even if the god had planned to let the kid die before, the fact that her parents prayed for her is enough to change the god's mind. Other people he doesn't like as much and prayers for them fall on deaf ears.
  2. Instead of the target ("prayee") mattering, instead it's the "prayor". A god listens to some people's prayers but not others. This kid's parents just happen to have the god's ear.
  3. Random chance. Perhaps the prayers just happen to catch a god in a good mood and it decides "what the hell" and changes its mind about the kid's fate
Any other possibilities?
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hi amnesia,

from a logic standpoint, i think those would sum them up. it has something to do with the prayee, the prayor, or neither of them.

however, i dont know that i would necessarily agree with god liking the prayee or not, or the prayor or not - just that it has something to do with them or not.

for example if i pray for you to be healed, and you dont want to be healed, then maybe my prayer would not be answered - at least in the way that i wanted it to be.

i wish i could say that i have some sort of gut feelings about prayer, but i just dont. i am really on the fence about it, and suspect that i will never get off the fence in that regard.
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