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Old 04-28-2006, 03:04 PM   #526
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Historical. Just came to mind. Sounded poetic to me. It predates Christianity. Bethel should sound familiar? It is the home of god and what god was when the very first man understood him. And it the start of the god who serves the basis of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. If I was to believe in something I would probably follow Buddha. In a nutshell it places the internal human spirit or sould (but that does not really describe it) over and above external influences. Even those of gods. Of which Buddha acknowledges. The elements of human history, religion and philosophy are just as interesting as physics and cosmology. Plus I like plants too.

If memory serves El became Yahweh. Jehova - God. At least historical when you trace the first instance of a monethiestic diety being recorde almost 3000 years before Christ and a few hunderd before used by the Hebrews.

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interesting. i am guessing bethel and bethlehem ?

do you have any url's about the mentioning of monotheistic thought patterns ?
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for those of you who are interested, 60 minutes is having a segment on the "da vinci code" tonight.
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Old 05-01-2006, 11:15 AM   #529
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for those of you who are interested, 60 minutes is having a segment on the "da vinci code" tonight.
It was actually less about The Da Vinci Code than it was about Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

I recently read another book called The Templar Legacy that was even more closely related to the issues covered in the 60 Minutes segment...
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hi amnesia,

i did not get to see the 60 minutes segment.

even though i am a christian, i am not a typical one. in my opinion, until we are willing to look beyond our brainwashing, we can not reach further levels of spirituality.

i dont look upon the bible as being the be-all to end-all. the old testament, to me, is merely a biased jewish history book. and i dont think that the entire new testament was divinely inspired by god.

just who decided to include certain writings of the time in the bible, and not others ? i definitely believe that there was human-only doings with much regard about the bible. it does not surprise me in the least about the possiblity of mary magdalene being jesus's best confidant.

we are talking about the middle east. even today, women are not treated much better than property. can you imagine what they were thought about 2000 years ago ? it does not surprise me that a society would want to suppress that a woman was closer to jesus than any men.

then recently the writings of judas have risen. was he really the devil, or did he actually do what jesus asked of him ? i doubt we will ever know. but what i do know is that some group of people decided that his writings were not to be included in the bible.

so while i may use the bible as a tool, i do not allow the bible to use me.
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It all starts somewhere gymeejet. Lets take monotheism. Before (I'll keep using the term) El the religions on the planet were one with the divine. It's surrounded them, they were a part of their daily life. The divine was touchable. Then a man appeared with the word of a god who showed himself to him. This god was strange, it was frightening. If you didn't worship it and accept it it would kill you. Trick you into deeds to support it and it was untouchable. It was of a place you could not reach and could not know. And if you succumb to it, you would be granted a gift, but only when you died.

Atheists often criticize this early practice of "god" as brutal. Then go worship their own "gods" of of varying desires.

Many also belittle the Islamic religion because they say it's false. Why, because it seems sort of goofy that god, in this case he will call himself Allah. El ... Yahweh ... Al ... Allah. Similar no? For the derivative of El there is another conception of god. Al and both have historical translated roots the predate their entry to earth, the material plane and man. So Al came to Muhammad one day in a cave and spoke. He says, if you worship me you will be rewarded and all others will die. The Jud ism and Trinity based religions of El say it's made up. But in their own history the same thing occurs. Adam vs Muhammad.

It was a clear day upon Jaba Musa when the Hebrews were handed the Tor rah, just out of no where the divine word. I have been to Mount Sinai. A personal trek motivated solely out of biblical history. But this account isn't any more different perhaps that that of Muhammad or back to Moses. One day while attending a flock he found a burning bush "that would not be consumed" And like Muhammad in his cave, god spoke. And gave his name.

Islam believe the god Al is the same as El. It existed before Adam. And is the same god of Adam, Moses, Noah and the whole clan. But the word Allah takes on a different meaning. More objective. Ah but I get off track and time consumes.
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just who decided to include certain writings of the time in the bible, and not others ? i definitely believe that there was human-only doings with much regard about the bible. it does not surprise me in the least about the possiblity of mary magdalene being jesus's best confidant.

so while i may use the bible as a tool, i do not allow the bible to use me.
Hey gymeejet,

Are you saying that the Creator of the Universe can't find a way to get his word out? By way of humans?
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hi semi,

i am not sure what you are asking. i didnt say that god could not get his word out thru the use of humans. i am saying that i believe that at least part of the new testament had nothing to do with god.

the fact that god can do something, is not proof that god did indeed said something. i guess that is the point i was attempting to make.
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hi rc,

the following is from wikipedia, with regards to the term "El".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(god)

i did not read thru all of it, as it is quite long. but as far as i can tell, abraham was the first person known to follow monotheistic thought patterns.

abraham existed approx 2000 years b.c., while moses was about 1300 b.c.

according to the article, one group used the word around 2300 b.c.

but it was in regard to a polytheistic belief system.

even among the "jewish" people of abraham's day, polytheism was the norm.

so at this point, i am unconvinced about the existence of monotheism before abraham. could you supply a url to back up that point ?
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recently i was told by a believer of all the prophecies that jesus fulfilled - that this was at least good evidence that jesus is god.

i am curious to what non-believers think. and also why jews do not believe in them.

in other words, do any of these "fulfillments" point towards the conclusion that jesus is god ?

http://bibleprobe.com/300great.htm
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well, I now believe in resurrection anyway.
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Well, obviously not on this sight. He must be bored whorin up all those posts!
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i couldnt tell if this was sarcastic or not. if not, is there a specific reason why you believe in it ?
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Hey gymeejet,

I don't think he's being sarcastic. I don't want to speak for dantodd, I think he's just making a comment. It's really not hard to believe in a resurrection.
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not sarcasm just a weak attempt at humor. The thread was resurrected after being "in the cave" for 3 months.
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