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Old 08-16-2006, 12:30 AM   #586
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There was a time when there was no church. And there was no bible and Christians told stories to their gatherers. It was perhaps a single man who decided what gosbels were included in the bible. The 4. The pillars of earth. Before that Christianity was told hand and mouth. To those who would listen. And it was passionate.


I have to apologize because I have been absent and left many threads unanswered.
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:29 PM   #587
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There was a time when there was no church. And there was no bible and Christians told stories to their gatherers. It was perhaps a single man who decided what gosbels were included in the bible. The 4. The pillars of earth. Before that Christianity was told hand and mouth. To those who would listen. And it was passionate.
I truly doubt your claim that it was perhaps a single man who decided what gospels were included in the bible.

quoting this website -- http://www.new-life.net/faq000.htm
"The canon of Scripture was NOT formed by the declaration of a church council any more than Isaac Newton created the law of gravity. Rather, as written revelation came from God through God's chosen writers, the people of God recognized God's voice and affirmed that the writing was indeed the word of God."

2 Timothy 3:16 -- Apostle Paul writes, "All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness."

The Synod of Carthage used three criteria in recognizing books as part of the New Testament canon:

1. Was the book prepared by an apostle or under the direction of an apostle? (Ephesians 2:20; John 16:13).
2. Was the book used and recognized by the churches? (John 10:4).
3. Did the book teach sound doctrine as compared with books that were already accepted as Scripture? (1 Corinthians 14:29)."
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Old 08-16-2006, 02:13 PM   #588
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i know the catholic church no longer teaches that "only catholics can get to heaven".
Yeah, but they certain believe that only Christians can do so...
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Old 08-17-2006, 07:55 PM   #589
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hi amnesia,

i am not sure about that. with the catholic church, you also need to define whether you are talking about the dogma as it exists in rome, or how it is practiced.

about 15 years ago, towards the end of my church going days, i asked the priest after mass the following question -

what will happen to people who have never known or had the opportunity to hear about jesus.

his response was "they will do okay".

now granted, that could be interpreted not to include people like you, who have heard and chosen not to believe.

but still, it does show that at least one priest (a fairly old one at that) was not condemning all non-christians to down below.

the ecumenical council by john 23 (in the early 60s) was really the dogma that stopped the belief that only catholics could get to heaven. i guess even the catholic church can realize how ridiculous it can be at times - LOL.

however, priests and such are brainwashed catholics like all the rest of the catholics. that belief never swung down to me. i suspect sometimes there can be a generation swing. and then even then, not all clergy necessarily go along with the teachings. the jesuits are known for their stubbornness in some regards.
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I truly doubt your claim that it was perhaps a single man who decided what gospels were included in the bible.
Most doubt my claim. They are misguided and I don't mean that as an inslult. Fact is, we aren't in heaven - the book didn't magically appear and there are more than 4 gospels. There is a trail of historical facts the track the progress of the account of Jesus. I am not saying the words in scripture do or do not come from god. But it was man who wrote it and it was man who decided what YOU will read and know. We don't even know who wrote the words of Mark.

One of the men I am refering to is Irenaeus. I am sure you have heard of him, he is a saint afterall and hand picked the 4 gosbels. As if he himself stood before Jesus Christ. And it was the particluar view of these early master of the Church that "influenced" them to chose accounts THEY agreed with.
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hi rc,

good post. i, for one, do not want to be limited to information by some other group. it seems as though whenever this occurs, something is being hidden, so we can not draw more accurate conclusions about a topic.
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according to christian doctrine (others perhaps as well), god has given man free will to do what he chooses. we have guidelines and rules that we are supposed to obey, but we are never forced to do so.

okay - for me, the big question about the bible is - was it actually inspired by god.

even if it was, we know that men put the actual words on paper, so to speak. and since god does not force us to do what he asks, it follows that the men who actually put the words down, did not always write what god wanted them to write down. in fact, knowing human nature, it seems likely that at least at times, they did not - they wrote what they chose to write for whatever reasons.

so that leaves us in a bit of a mess - trying to figure out what, if any, part of the bible is actually god's message to us.
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so that leaves us in a bit of a mess - trying to figure out what, if any, part of the bible is actually god's message to us.
And of course, the same could be said about any other religious group's "holy" text---the Koran, the Book of Mormon, etc.

It seems to me that as soon as you open up the door for a supernatural creature communicating with humans and inspiring written texts, you must think seriously about whether your particular "holy" text is really the only one with such supernatural guidance...
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There was another god before this current iteration of "god". That is also before the pagans. The Sky God. He is often associated with Sun worship but significantly it was a monotheistic religion before this one of Jehovah. So it also muddles the true meaning of "god" even more. Mankind is a spiritual creature who manifests god in the way appropriate to their society. In another 1000 years humans may see and then "tell" about god in a very different way. The idea of Lutheran is only a few hundred years old for instance. And before 700 or so ACE Islam did NOT exist. The projection of Christ, Moses and Jehovah did not satisfy their spiritual need. So Allah was born. Same god, different need. And Jehovah was worhiped in a particular way for a long time until the Rabbi Christ. Who projected another image of a forgiving god.

These are just thoughts.

//EDIT the term Rabi Christ cannot stand. Christ has a signficant meaning. Although Jesus was a Jew and was reffered to as Rabbi. The Rabbi Jesus is more accurate no? The term Chris is very different from the name of a man called Jesus who became the Christ, the Messiah.
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hi amnesia,

i dont have a problem with that, on a general basis.

i just dont believe that is the case with islam - because everything i have read states the same thing - mohammed and islam started and spread thru violence.
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i just dont believe that is the case with islam - because everything i have read states the same thing - mohammed and islam started and spread thru violence.
Actually muhammad states that allah and the god of the jews and christians are one and the same. Muhammad simply believed (as his followers do) that he is the true messiah and that Jesus was a prophet. As for violence, I believe that the christians have plenty of "spread thru violence" in their history. Just look at the history of this continent and the one to the south. As for the crusades, that was (IMO) mutual combat between relative equals, militarily.
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As for violence, I believe that the christians have plenty of "spread thru violence" in their history. Just look at the history of this continent and the one to the south. As for the crusades, that was (IMO) mutual combat between relative equals, militarily.
That is just so wrong. Jesus Christ never preached violence or hatred. Just because people did these things in the name of God or Christ doesn't mean it was right or just.
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I said christians, not christ.
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That is just so wrong. Jesus Christ never preached violence or hatred. Just because people did these things in the name of God or Christ doesn't mean it was right or just.
By contrast Mohammad did preach violence and killing as written in the Quran so Zarqawi and Osama could be considered "good" Muslims in the muslim community.
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Absolutely. The words of Jesus have been convoluted. I feel that those who truly love Christ must take the bible with some prejudice and seek his true wisdom.

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Muhammad simply believed (as his followers do) that he is the true messiah and that Jesus was a prophet.
As for Mohammed being the messiah? That is not accurate at all. That is not the intent or direction of Islam nor the intent of Mohammad. M. is always reference as a prophet and the Quran states the he is the last prophet in a long line of prophets (including Jesus) dating back to Noah. In fact I don't think there is a Messiah in Islam. Salvation (as you may be aware through radical actions we see in the news) is NOT guaranteed except through martyrdom. To die in the name of God is a card to heaven no matter what you did in life.

Which depending on the life one leads can be enticing.
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