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Old 09-13-2006, 10:51 AM   #616
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What if we are more powerful than we realize and god really is a construct of our collective minds? If earth were eliminated today would god exist?
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:35 AM   #617
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Actually muhammad states that allah and the god of the jews and christians are one and the same. Muhammad simply believed (as his followers do) that he is the true messiah and that Jesus was a prophet. As for violence, I believe that the christians have plenty of "spread thru violence" in their history. Just look at the history of this continent and the one to the south. As for the crusades, that was (IMO) mutual combat between relative equals, militarily.
hi dan,

could you give me some examples of what you are talking about, in terms of north and south americas ?

the crusades never had anything to do with "spreading the word". the christian wealthy were simply attempting to get back the land that the muslims had taken from them.

the history of the spread of islam has been one of conquest from day one. in contrast, christianity spread throughout catacombs during its first century or so. i dont really think the two are comparable.
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Just like it's never too late to give up childish magical fantasies and join the 21st Century.
hi amnesia,

with logic and physics, i have demonstrated why the creation of the universe must have come from something external to itself.

while it is doubtful that we will ever be able to describe anything about this "external", the mere fact of its existence lends to the theory "of the existence of god" as something other than just a magical fantasy, imo.
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I don't know if God does or doesn't exist, but you can meet his son Jesus in Miami.

http://cbs11tv.com/local/local_story_261201144.html
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Ok that is scary.
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Just like it's never too late to give up childish magical fantasies and join the 21st Century.

It amazes me that you're simply willing to believe this whole "heaven and hell" story as if it were real. Do you personally know anyone who has died and gone to heaven or hell and returned to tell the tale?

You want proof in other parts of your life right? If someone claims that they can save you money on your car insurance, you want it backed up, right? If someone claims that a new electronic gadget is worth buying, you want to experiment and see for yourself, right?

How come you don't up the same "show-me-evidence" test for matters of mythology?
i do know of someone who lived to tell about his experience in hell and speaks about how lucifer(satan) is very real and if you are interested i'll burn you a dvd and send it to you. just a little of his background. he is a college graduate and he was a multimillionaire living the life in hollywood partying with rockstars and celebrities.
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Everything, all the proof I need, is in the New Testament of the Bible. Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe.
i think people are confusing "proof" with "belief system". the new testament is not about proof, nor has it ever tried to be. one either believes all of it, some of it, or none of it.
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what degree of importance should we put on the prediction that the ot makes about the jewish people regaining israel ?
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It amazes me that you're simply willing to believe this whole "heaven and hell" story as if it were real. Do you personally know anyone who has died and gone to heaven or hell and returned to tell the tale?
Hey all, good discussion. To me heaven and hell comes down to this...
If there is a creator that gave us life, the universe, etc. Would that creator not deserve credit? Credit being belief from those who were created. I would say so, reward for such credit (belief in Him) being "eternal life" or not giving credit (unbelief) "eternal punishment".
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the theory of evolution has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the existence or non-existence of god.

the theory is simply how life has evolved on this planet. it says nothing about whether or not some entity started it in motion.

the believers who get all up in arms about it - simply dont understand. they are following their brainwashed teachings, instead of learning to think for themselves.

i relish science. and hope to learn a lot about everything i can. science is no threat to the existence of god. nor is the existence of god any threat to science.
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the theory of evolution has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the existence or non-existence of god.

the theory is simply how life has evolved on this planet. it says nothing about whether or not some entity started it in motion.
Good point gym. I would also suggest though that scientists are laying their faith in a theory that has some major problems. Such as fossil records of upright man footprints in a river bed next to Dinosaurs footprints. Unfortunately this doesn't fit with the main theory of the evolution of man and so they sort of ignore it.
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the theory of evolution has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the existence or non-existence of god.
I have NEVER heard anybody except myself say this or believe this. Who says that Adam and Eve looked like they do in the Bible? Nothing in the Bible says that these people are white, walk upright, have "hairless" bodies, etc...; it's just an artist's rendition. I have brought this theory into my church many times and each time I am asked to leave. It's funny that "God loves all of mankind" yet churches are the biggest hypocrites EVER! It's funny how churches (as a whole) have no problem questioning other's opinions/theories yet they will not allow their opinions/theories to be questioned. To answer the title of the thread, I'm not sure.
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Such as fossil records of upright man footprints in a river bed next to Dinosaurs footprints.
This is interesting. Homo erectus is believed to be descended from homo habilis and some others before that until the homo classification is removed. Say 2 million years ago. Dino's died out what 65 million years ago? So what are you getting at. Dino's didn't die out 65 million years ago? Man walked upright before that? Or because of a discrepancy the bible is supreme? I would love to see an article too. I'll have to go find one on this.
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Good point gym. I would also suggest though that scientists are laying their faith in a theory that has some major problems. Such as fossil records of upright man footprints in a river bed next to Dinosaurs footprints. Unfortunately this doesn't fit with the main theory of the evolution of man and so they sort of ignore it.
hi manco,

i have taken evolution as pretty much a fact for a long time, because of the preponderence of evidence seeming to support it.

i am assuming that your statement assumes that these 2 footprints next to each other are of a similar time stamp ? and therefore man would have to be a helluva lot older than what science thinks, since dinos died out 65 million years ago ? and man is only supposed to around for a few million. lucy is one of our oldest homo-like creatures that i can recall.

could you give us a url talking about this ?

one question - the fact that 2 prints are near each other today - i am not sure that we can conclude from this that the 2 prints were implanted within nearby time frames. this is why i want to see what the article says, and if they define this point any further.

darwin's theory of evolution is for short-term. evolution also has a long-term basis to it, though. and that is more about major catastrophes, ice ages, asteroids, etc - that cause large changes in short time periods.
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Good one gymeejet. Creationists find it easy to dismiss evolution because of "change rate". But global events will/did/do accelerate change. It's a wonder any of us made it. That is why we are all decended from a single woman. Everyone else died out as the earth cooled in one of many ice ages. Evolution, like scientific discovery experiences rapid growth/change patterns. While geometry is thousands of years old, my grandma didn't know a radio wave existed. And the germs were a theory in the 1800s. In one century more progress has been made than in a million years. Like evolution did perhaps.
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