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Old 01-23-2007, 02:15 AM   #766
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My position all along has been that the entire Bible is inconsistent. You're the one who keeps trying to re-frame the argument and limit it to the teachings of Jesus.
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it was your statements about christianity that triggered my interest to debate with you. so while your main focus may be the bible, you were the one to first bring christianity into the picture. otherwise, i would not have challenged your statements. my only argument with you was and is with your statements about christianity, which is why, in your words, i keep trying to re-frame the argument and limit it to the teachings of jesus.
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Old 01-23-2007, 08:47 AM   #767
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it was your statements about christianity that triggered my interest to debate with you. so while your main focus may be the bible, you were the one to first bring christianity into the picture. otherwise, i would not have challenged your statements. my only argument with you was and is with your statements about christianity, which is why, in your words, i keep trying to re-frame the argument and limit it to the teachings of jesus.
I didn't bring Christianity into the picture, it was in from the original post. The murderer and his family were Christians.
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you made comments specifically about christians, as well as general ones about the bible.

i was trying to explain to you why i was debating with you. i am only debating with you in regards to christianity, the teachings of jesus - not the bible.
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:14 PM   #769
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you made comments specifically about christians, as well as general ones about the bible.

i was trying to explain to you why i was debating with you. i am only debating with you in regards to christianity, the teachings of jesus - not the bible.
I know. Christians (by a large majority) say they consider the entire text divinely inspired. You reject the Old Testament, which I already told you puts you closer to Gnosticism than Christianity. You clearly have your own meaning for the word "Christianity". When you read the term in my posts, please replace it with a phrase that better fits your world view. Something like "the collection of religions practiced by most people in the world who self identify as Christians."
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Old 01-24-2007, 01:27 AM   #770
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i am not nitpicking with you here. i am pretty good at understanding what someone means when i read thru the full post - which is what i am telling you that you seem to be lacking in.

and you gave me a better way of saying something, even when it was easy to understand in the complete context. what you are saying though, can be easily mis-interpreted.

let me make a suggestion. instead of saying christian, say "christian sect" perhaps. so instead of "christians believe", say "christian sects believe", or "christian sects teach", or if you want to get more specific, "lutherans teach".

one thing that still isnt sinking in yet for you is that being a christian is simply following the teachings of jesus. that's it. there is no other definition to it.

i know you think i have some uncommon viewpoint of christianity - i am telling you that there is one and only one viewpoint called christianity - the teachings of jesus.

for example, let's say that we each agree that a bear is defined as animal with a particular list of qualifications. that list will not include "liking honey". even though perhaps 99% of bears like honey, the liking of honey does not have anything to do with whether he is a bear or not.

likewise, anything outside of the teachings of jesus has nothing to do with a person being a christian. i dont care what said person wants to call himself. i could call myself the easter bunny, if i wanted. it doesnt make me the easter bunny.

as i said before, i am willing to stipulate that most, if not all, of the christian sects have some sort of basis in the teachings of jesus. but being raised catholic, i also know from my own life experience, that many things that the catholic church taught us to believe had nothing to do with what jesus said.

catholicism is certainly a christian sect, and by your definition, a catholic is certainly a christian.

in any case, when i read that term of yours, i will try to remember that that is how you use the term. and if your definition of it seems to match the context of what you are talking about, then i will know what you meant, which is all that is important in communication. the communicator is attempting to relay his thought to the communicatee, as clearly as possible. and what i am telling you is that you will find people misunderstanding your meaning, in this regard.

anyways, carry on.
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i know you think i have some uncommon viewpoint of christianity - i am telling you that there is one and only one viewpoint called christianity - the teachings of jesus.
I don't just think it is uncommon, I can prove that it is. There are over 1 billion Catholics on the planet and they call themselves Christians. You can define that word for yourself, but recognize that most other people on the planet aren't using your definition.
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:54 AM   #772
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from the wiki,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

Christianity is a monotheistic[1] religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament

this is the exact definition used. that sounds like what gymeejet has been saying. maybe he aint so dumb after all. LOL.

mem, you have a stubborn streak a mile long. i find it humorous, sometimes.
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this is the exact definition used. that sounds like what gymeejet has been saying. maybe he aint so dumb after all. LOL.
No, you said Christianity was only the teachings of Jesus and that the Old Testament wasn't the divinely inspired word of God.
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gymeejet said about christianity - i am only debating with you in regards to christianity, the teachings of jesus

wiki said about christianity - Christianity is a monotheistic[1] religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament

your streak just grew, it is now 2 miles long - sorta like pinocchio's nose. how long do you plan to let your streak grow, this time ? LOL.

i bet it will be at least 10 miles long before you stop.
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gymeejet said about christianity - i am only debating with you in regards to christianity, the teachings of jesus
Why are you writing in third person?
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Why are you writing in third person?
i guess i also have three persons in one.
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:21 PM   #779
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lol wayne,

i wasnt sure if you thought i was a female, or perhaps i was wrong and you were a female. in any case, it brought more of a laugh than anything else.
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Hey gymeejet,

It's that whole gy thing in your name that makes people think you're a woman...
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