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Old 03-27-2007, 03:00 PM   #856
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So, back to the question you refuse to answer. What deep seated problem do I have with my experience of Christianity? You've made claims like this in several posts, but never explained them. If you won't answer, at least tell me why.
if and when you have the desire to tell us what your bad experiences have been, i am here to listen. if you want a response, i will try and give you one.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:52 PM   #857
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Is it a similar leap of faith to believe there is no Santa Claus, or no Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Do you assume there could be a Flying Spaghetti Monster until you make that leap of faith?
I was not arguing that your decision was not appropriate just pointing out that when one chooses to believe something that is not provable it requires a leap of faith. As for FSM I personally prefer the pirate fish but I would never attack your beliefs. Or lack thereof.

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IF YOU DeMAND PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOUR BELIEFS SHOW THE COURTESY OF DOING THE SAME.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:54 PM   #858
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if and when you have the desire to tell us what your bad experiences have been, i am here to listen. if you want a response, i will try and give you one.
I haven't had any bad experiences. My experience being a Christian was entirely positive. You're the one who said I had bad experiences. I want to know what you're talking about.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:57 PM   #859
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I was not arguing that your decision was not appropriate just pointing out that when one chooses to believe something that is not provable it requires a leap of faith. As for FSM I personally prefer the pirate fish but I would never attack your beliefs. Or lack thereof.
Not believing in gods doesn't require proof, just like not believing in the FSM.

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If you can't figure it out from my previous post I'm not sure I have the ability to say it in a manner which you can understand. I'll try one more time.

IF YOU DeMAND PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOUR BELIEFS SHOW THE COURTESY OF DOING THE SAME.
I don't think I've demanded that anyone respect my beliefs, and I don't think I've disrespected anyone else's beliefs. Are you talking about using the word "mythology" close to the word "Christian"? Or are you talking about my argument that the Bible is internally inconsistent and therefore makes a bad foundation for legal systems?
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I don't think I've demanded that anyone respect my beliefs, and I don't think I've disrespected anyone else's beliefs.
I'm not sure if you are simply being obtuse or if you really don't understand that the Christians on the board wouldn't be responding to you the way they are if you were "disrespecting" their beliefs.
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:38 PM   #861
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I'm not sure if you are simply being obtuse or if you really don't understand that the Christians on the board wouldn't be responding to you the way they are if you were "disrespecting" their beliefs.
Some are, some aren't, but you didn't answer my question.
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Old 03-28-2007, 01:36 AM   #862
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Some are, some aren't, but you didn't answer my question.
To answer your question directly. Neither. You offered a false dichotomy. I was referring to the way your comments as a whole were interpreted by those to whom they were directed. I cannot read your mind so either you intended to be offensive or you simply didn't understand how your comments were interpreted. If it was simply a lack of knowledge on your part then I have enlightened you as to how your comments were viewed, if it was the former then there is no point in continuing.
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Old 03-28-2007, 02:34 AM   #863
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I was referring to the way your comments as a whole were interpreted by those to whom they were directed.
Let's let "those to whome they were directed" speak for themselves. Can you tell me what you personally find disrespectful?

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I cannot read your mind so either you intended to be offensive or you simply didn't understand how your comments were interpreted.
Luckily, you don't need to read my mind. You can talk to me. I have said (in multiple posts) that I didn't intend to be offensive. I understand that gymeejet takes offense at my use of the term "Christian mythology", among other things. I don't understand what offends you. Will you tell me?
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Let's let "those to whome they were directed" speak for themselves. Can you tell me what you personally find disrespectful?
Your attitude and the way you treat others who disagree with you or have different opinions. You show either very poor communication skills or disrespect for others. Since you have acknowledged that you now know that others, such as gymeejet are offended by the way you are treat their beliefs I have to assume that in continuing to do so you have every intention to offend. Does that make clear what I find about your discourse disrespectful?
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Does that make clear what I find about your discourse disrespectful?
No, that's a very vague answer. What is clear is that you aren't going to be more specific, so I'll stop asking for clarity.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:02 PM   #866
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No, that's a very vague answer. What is clear is that you aren't going to be more specific, so I'll stop asking for clarity.
There is no such thing as clarity when questioning religion. The people in charge keep it vague on purpose.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:55 PM   #867
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There is no such thing as clarity when questioning religion. The people in charge keep it vague on purpose.
On the contrary: See http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1053.htm.

(I wasn't questioning religion, I was asking dantodd why he was writing about me.)
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:32 AM   #868
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The odds against life are "astronomical". Luckily the number of places it could happen are also "astronomical".

If the odds of life starting are so big, what are the odds against God starting? Saying "God did it" doesn't solve the problem, it only complicates the problem.
i agree that the number of places is also astronomical. i did not post the url as proof of any sort.

however, i disagree that it complicates the problem. it makes it much simpler, which is probably why many believe.

the mistake in your logic here, is that you are placing our universe-limitations on something (in this case god) that exists outside this universe, and therefore is not necessarily dependent on any of the rules that we are. time, energy, matter, space, etc. may or may not exist outside of our known universe. so they may not be the problems that our human brains conceive that they would be.

this of course is not proof or disproof of god - merely pointing out the mistake in the conclusion that you made.
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the mistake in your logic here, is that you are placing our universe-limitations on something (in this case god) that exists outside this universe, and therefore is not necessarily dependent on any of the rules that we are. time, energy, matter, space, etc. may or may not exist outside of our known universe. so they may not be the problems that our human brains conceive that they would be.
If you're going to ignore the odds against God starting spontaneously by saying "magic happened", you can simplify that theory by removing God and saying life started by magic. Either way, God doesn't simplify the theory.

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interesting read from someone who was an athiest

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/col...ary/index.html
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