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Old 04-07-2007, 09:01 PM   #871
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another scientist's views on god. Maybe a little better known scientist.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...607298,00.html
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More Einstein quotes:

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion."

"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive."

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
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I too am in awe of the universe and the interaction of the human species among the various dispilines of both science and religion. And the things we discover. Does that mean I should go to church and kneel before god and beg for mercy?
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Does that mean I should go to church and kneel before god and beg for mercy?
What?
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If you're going to ignore the odds against God starting spontaneously by saying "magic happened", you can simplify that theory by removing God and saying life started by magic. Either way, God doesn't simplify the theory.
you seem to have missed the point.

MAGIC - that which occurs IN OUR UNIVERSE, which seems to disobey the natural laws of our universe.

outside of our universe, we cant make any definitions about. god starting spontaneously assumes a fact that has not been proven, nor can it ever be proven. and that is that time exists outside of our universe.

something outside of our universe started our universe, that we know. to say this something is god tends to simplify things over saying something else.

this is probably one of the main reasons why the notion of god came into being.
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you seem to have missed the point.

MAGIC - that which occurs IN OUR UNIVERSE, which seems to disobey the natural laws of our universe.

outside of our universe, we cant make any definitions about. god starting spontaneously assumes a fact that has not been proven, nor can it ever be proven. and that is that time exists outside of our universe.
We were discussing the origin of life, not the origin of the universe, but we can lop God out of that equation with the same effect. If something unknown started the universe, we can stop at that. There's no benefit to positing God as the cause, since God raises more questions than he solves and there's absolutely no evidence that God created the universe.

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something outside of our universe started our universe, that we know. to say this something is god tends to simplify things over saying something else.
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this is probably one of the main reasons why the notion of god came into being.
I thought you thought the notion of god came into being because God revealed himself to us?
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Why?
because it is easier for people, in general, to visualize a powerful being, as opposed to something random, and non-explainable.
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because it is easier for people, in general, to visualize a powerful being, as opposed to something random, and non-explainable.
Just because it's an easier concept to grasp doesn't make it a fact though. Everything about the concept of god(s) is primitive. Even the word itself sounds so primitive. It almost sounds like a grunt an animal in a jungle would make.
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because it is easier for people, in general, to visualize a powerful being, as opposed to something random, and non-explainable.
Really? Imagining a powerful being existing before the universe and creating it is pretty hard for me. Maybe Toshiro Mifune, but even that's a stretch.
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Post Polytheism to Monotheism...

Somebody mentioned the lightning bolt. Wasn't that Zeus throwing those things? Where has Zeus gone? How about Aphrodite?

One might argue, as fact, that God (one) was created when the God's (many) ceasaed to be God's...

Zoastrians perhaps?
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Really? Imagining a powerful being existing before the universe and creating it is pretty hard for me. Maybe Toshiro Mifune, but even that's a stretch.
Mifune isn't so much a stretch as it is a 'stretch and scratch' of the beard. You add that audible grumble into the mix and you have the perfect blend of warrior, not God.
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Just because it's an easier concept to grasp doesn't make it a fact though. Everything about the concept of god(s) is primitive. Even the word itself sounds so primitive. It almost sounds like a grunt an animal in a jungle would make.
i never said it was a fact.

please explain to mem why it is an easier concept to grasp. he seems to be the only one who doesnt grasp that.

most one syllable words are fairly basic. and there are a gazillion of these one-syllable words that could sound like a grunt.

would you have preferred that the notion of a supernatural being be referred to as Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious ?

it could then sound super sophisticated. would that make it more meaningful ?
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Really? Imagining a powerful being existing before the universe and creating it is pretty hard for me. Maybe Toshiro Mifune, but even that's a stretch.
extremely hard for me, as well. but i said EASIER, not EASY.

we see people with very unique talents. so our brains have some sort of concept of a being with unique talents or power.

it just is an "easier" concept to attach this sort of power to a being than to nothing at all. and since a tremendous number of people do believe in god - that pretty much bears out the truth of what i am saying - it is EASIER to believe that a god is responsible for the universe, than it is for a non-thinking random chance event.
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I thought you thought the notion of god came into being because God revealed himself to us?
i think you are confusing the notion of christianity with the notion of god.

if i recall, lucy is considered to be the oldest human-like creature that we have found skeletal bones for ? and if i recall, she is 6 million years old ?

but she certainly seems developed enough that she could look up at the stars, and imagine the concept of god, while attempting to explain to herself where everything about her came into being.

so i suspect that the notion of god FAR FAR FAR precedes the development of christianity.
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