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Old 10-13-2005, 02:58 PM   #106
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Excellent, you are reading his book. Keep going there is Hawking Bohr and a host of others, also go back and read the classics which everything is built. Eisntein needed the formulas from Newton, Newton Kepler etc. They are all well out of copyright and available in full text online.

At is simplest the space between two galaxies is expanding or stretching. It is not effected by the limitation of mass. There is none. and even though the galaxies could be moving away at or near light speed, space is expanding the gap faster.

Ready for string theory and quantum jumping of paricles?
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Argue creation, god, perceive the vastness of space, look through time and even question time itself. That is amazing.
some scientists believe that time is not a real dimension, but rather something caused by the motion of objects. in other words, if everything was completely still, including the molecules in our body, there would be no such thing as time, because there would be no events occurring that give rise to different moments in time.

i dont know if i believe this or not, but it seems to have at least some credence.

that theory merely says that there has always been motion, therefore there has always been "time".

"time" to me, is our biggest unknown.
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in other words, if everything was completely still, including the molecules in our body, there would be no such thing as time, because there would be no events occurring that give rise to different moments in time.
That seems like a "tree-falls-in-the-forest" argument.

If there were no molecules in motion, there would be no one to "see" time passing...
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hi amnesia,

it is that, exactly. is it the motion of matter that gives rise to our perception of time ? or is it time that allows for motion of matter ?

we may never be able to answer that one. but we do know that matter exists, since we can touch and manipulate it. and for sake of argument, if we believe in the big bang, there has always been motion associated with matter.

the notion of the universe having no beginning i have been able to completely rule out, because it is impossible with this version of the universe.

but i cant see anything about the motion causing time theory that would make me think it was not at least possible.

time is a big mystery. and it is true that we only sense it because of the events around us. if matter was motionless, i cant for sure say that time would still exist. so again, i have to give that theory some reason for plausibility, until such "time" that it completely breaks down.
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sounds good to me. Time is "relative"

There is a book I was reading last night I got for 4 bucks that is a good historical context of time. It's called "The Discovery of Time" It always amazes me what the greeks did. For instance they had a peg board with 365 ish pegs on it and it was someone's job to move it each day. And they already knew that every 13 years (get it 13) they had to skip a day. To realign the cosmos.
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Light was not "created" at the outset. It came along later as you hinted here; "space expanded many times faster than the speed of light." There was no photon particle like thing yet (light). In fact I would have to look it up but I believe light came hundreds or thousands of years later.
could you please look this up. i tried to do a ton of searches, and while some seem to intimate that photons were around from the beginning, i could not find an article that really illustrated this well.

a pretty interesting question, and one which got me doing photon searches - if time and light are so related, it would seem odd to me that photons were not created until hundreds of thousands of years later.
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Then I was making some "god" the other night?
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I think this song proves the fact that:

A. god created us in his image
B. there is no god and we're all just part of evolution
C. God hates us all for allowing such an addicting song to be created
D. you hate me for posting this awfully addicting song.
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Light was not "created" at the outset. It came along later as you hinted here; "space expanded many times faster than the speed of light." There was no photon particle like thing yet (light). In fact I would have to look it up but I believe light came hundreds or thousands of years later.
could you please look this up. i tried to do a ton of searches, and while some seem to intimate that photons were around from the beginning, i could not find an article that really illustrated this well.

a pretty interesting question, and one which got me doing photon searches - if time and light are so related, it would seem odd to me that photons were not created until hundreds of thousands of years later.
hi rc,
were you unable to find any documentation about that ?
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By the time this thread ends, we'll know for sure whether He exists!
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By the time this thread ends, we'll know for sure whether He exists!
good humor
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good humor
Yep, just kidding.
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By the time this thread ends, we'll know for sure whether He exists!
That or there will be more confussion.
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By the time this thread ends, we'll know for sure whether He exists!
Why "He" instead of "It"?

You don't really think that your god has a penis, do you?

Never understood that...
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Hi gymeejet,

About light creation...

I wasn't paying attention to this post so didn't reply and I am wrong. It wasn't a long time after the big bang. I must have read that somewhere as a child when they were trying to explain the inability to look all the way back or some religious doctrine stating light was created in transit. I don't recall. I consulted my BRAIN and found the general consensus is 1 hour or so by looking in books.

If you think about physics light could not have existed at the VERY beginning.

Here is an internet source with decent descriptions some backed my mathematics. I chose Califonia on purpose.


http://cassfos02.ucsd.edu/public/tutorial/BB.html
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