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Old 03-24-2004, 12:01 PM   #1
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Satellite Radio Eager to Receive Howard Stern Fans
The two services are losing money, but the shock jock's threats to leave the public airwaves may give them a boost.

By John O'Dell, Times Staff Writer

Talk-show host Howard Stern has been threatening lately to go where the FCC can't touch him: satellite radio.

That's also where not a whole lot of people would hear his famously foul mouth, which got him kicked off six conventional radio stations last month and over the years has persuaded the Federal Communications Commission to fine his show a total of $2 million.

The two satellite radio services in the U.S., both of which are losing money, together have fewer than 2 million subscribers, a fraction of Stern's 15 million listeners.

On the other hand, XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. and Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. are growing. And Stern's chatter about ditching the public airwaves has no doubt raised the public's awareness of the relatively new method of delivering commercial radio signals.

Neither XM nor Sirius would disclose whether they've had discussions with Stern. He began talking about switching to satellite after a bill was introduced in Congress to dramatically raise FCC fines for "obscene" or "indecent" material heard or seen on broadcast radio stations or television networks; federal indecency rules don't apply to satellite or cable television networks or satellite radio.

Hugh Panero, XM Satellite's chief executive, pooh-poohed the possibility, saying he doubted whether XM or Sirius could afford the reported $20 million Stern pulls down a year through his contract with Viacom Inc.'s Infinity Broadcasting.

They might be able to come up with that kind of dough soon, though: XM's and Sirius' stocks are trading near 52-week highs as the number of subscribers and satellite-capable radios keeps increasing.

"They are still very new, and already almost 2 million people have been willing to pay for what they offer: better content, national reach and better quality than terrestrial radio," said April Horace, an analyst with Janco Partners Inc., a Denver-based investment banking firm. "The market is big enough for both to succeed."

For many people, the attraction of satellite is the chance to hear music that goes beyond the homogenized playlists put together by most corporate-owned radio stations. XM and Sirius each offer more than 100 channels.

Scott Tokar, a Foothill Ranch resident, is a satellite radio convert who listens to XM eight to 10 hours a day. He began subscribing two years ago and now has four separate XM subscriptions so he can keep receivers in both of his cars as well as his office and family room at home.

"It had better survive," Tokar said. "It's the best thing out there."

Washington-based XM began broadcasting in November 2001. Its smaller rival, Sirius, headquartered in New York, hit the air nationally in July 2002. Both companies have piled up big losses: XM a total of $1.4 billion in the last four years and Sirius a total of $1 billion.

XM has 1.5 million subscribers, about five times as many as Sirius. XM charges $9.99 a month; Sirius charges its nearly 300,000 subscribers $12.95. Car receivers cost $150 and up, and there are several adaptors available that can work with portable speakers or in existing home stereo systems.

At XM, so-called stream jocks — the disc jockeys who "stream" digital music to listeners — spin songs on seven country channels and about 20 rock stations. Some specialize in obscure tracks from albums of well-known artists who almost never make it onto conventional radio stations. Beyond rock 'n' roll, there are 10 pop music offerings, seven hip-hop stations, nine channels with jazz and blues, four with electronic, dance and "club" music, three classical music channels and eight with disco, Christian music, show tunes and a variety of world music programming.

Sirius has 61 music channels and has branched into sports. Sirius already broadcasts NBA and NHL games, and recently signed a seven-year, $220-million pact to become the satellite radio broadcaster for all NFL games.

Both satellite radio companies are heavily reliant on automakers to draw new customers.

General Motors Corp. offers XM in all of its new cars and recently celebrated the production of its 1 millionth XM-equipped vehicle. Honda Motor Corp. has produced about 200,000 XM radio-equipped cars and is XM's largest shareholder with 8.7%; GM holds an 8% interest.

DaimlerChrysler, with a $100-million equity stake in Sirius, is that provider's only automaker investor. Sirius also has exclusive deals with Ford Motor Co. and BMW. Volkswagen and Nissan Motor Co. install XM and Sirius radios, while Toyota Motor Corp. installs XM receivers upon request.

GM research shows that 70% of its XM subscribers want to make sure that their next new car is equipped with a receiver. Satellite radio "is helping get people into our vehicles," said Gary Cowger, president of GM's North American operations.

Although the number of subscribers has been climbing steadily, XM and Sirius still spend more to lure each one than a year's subscription brings in.

Panero said XM would need 3 million to 4 million subscribers to break even, adding that he expected the company would reach that goal by the middle of 2005. Profitability "will follow soon after," he said.

Joseph Clayton, Sirius' chief executive, said it should score 1 million subscribers by the end of this year and break even with 2 million customers by the end of 2005.

Sirius lost $226.2 million last year on revenue of $12.9 million — an improvement from its 2002 loss of $422.5 million with just $800,000 in revenue. XM reported a 2003 loss of $584.5 million with sales of $91.8 million, versus a 2002 loss of $495 million with sales of $20.2 million.

Peter Friedland, an industry analyst for W.R. Hambrecht & Co. in San Francisco, said the losses were part of a start-up industry's normal growing pains. He added that the FCC had limited the satellite radio arena to just two licenses, guaranteeing XM and Sirius a clear field.

"We think they will have a combined 30 million subscribers by 2010," Friedland said. "That's just 15% of the cars on the road."

One drawback is that each company has a proprietary digital signal. Consumers choose radios that can receive either XM or Sirius — but not both. A receiver that can decode signals for both is being developed, although it won't hit the market for several years.

Meanwhile, both companies have huge initial costs to recover. Each spent about $2 billion setting up production studios, satellites and scores of repeater stations to send their signals.

XM has more than $500 million in cash on hand and has whittled its debt to about $600 million. Sirius went through a restructuring last year and cut its debt 91%, to less than $450 million, by swapping debt for equity. It has about $750 million in cash.

XM, which went public in 1999 at $12 a share, closed Tuesday at $26.86, down 26 cents, up from a low of $5.13 a year ago. As for Sirius, which went public at $10 in 1994, it closed at $3.10, up 5 cents. That's up considerably from a low of 41 cents last March. Both trade on Nasdaq.

The recent stock run-up doesn't make everyone a fan of satellite radio. "The amount of marketing spending these two have to do to build their customer base is tremendous," said analyst Sam Whitmore, who writes a monthly column on tech media for Forbes.com.

XM and Sirius ultimately will have to raise their subscription rates, Whitmore predicted. Will listeners go along? "The public already has shown with Internet downloading that it isn't all that willing to pay for music," he said.

Clayton and Panero insist there are no plans to boost subscription prices.

If they're wrong, it probably won't bother Aaron Sandler, a TV producer in Beverly Hills. He installed an expensive aftermarket stereo system in his Lexus to receive XM's signal. Then, when Sirius started up, he spent $150 for an adapter that plugs into his car so he could receive Sirius' signal too.

"Satellite radio is so great," he said. "I almost never listen to regular radio anymore."
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Old 03-25-2004, 10:40 PM   #2
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Nice update on Stern,a story I'm following closely as an investor. I just noticed that Siri's DJs are paving the way for Stern by using some of his language. It wasn't much but the Strobe DJ just used "a**" on his show. While I'm used to it in movies and TV, That's the first time I heard that on radio. I read where our DJs are doing it more to show Stern that he can come on down. While "'a**" doesn't offend me, it offends my mom and sis, especially when her kids are in my car. I'm always taking them to their ball games and church.

The boys love to listen to the oldies music of my generation when they're in the car and at my house but I'm going to have to censor it now. I'll tell them to change the stream as soon as the DJ starts talking, which btw, seems they're doing more of. I change it anyway because I'm paying for music, not their talk. They're giving too much info. I get all the info I need on the PC. I want a little less talk and a lot more action.

Let's face it, as soon as Stern signs with Sirius, we're all going to be pimps selling SEX!!!



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Old 03-26-2004, 05:58 AM   #3
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Nonsense.

Stern, even IF he comes to Sirius, will be on ONE stream. They aren't going to start using the F word on Standard Time.

And the word you heard on the stream you heard it has been used many times before. Your sensitity level may have been raised (and your awareness) since the great breast baring incident and the FCC's response.

The topic of dj interaction has been discussed here many times before. It is a balance that Sirius must achieve. You are paying for music, not deejays. Me, I'm paying for a service that reminds me of the great radio stations of my youth, not a jukebox. Sirius must figure out a way to satisfy enough of the likes of each of us such that they profit to the degree they wish.

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Old 03-26-2004, 09:53 AM   #4
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The fact they will use the F-word or any other inappropriate words for youth to hear at all and the fact that Sat radio will bring Stern on shows they are not interested in decency.

Give me a little less talk and a lot more action.
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Old 03-26-2004, 11:02 AM   #5
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Where did you hear the F word?

Seriously though, if you are worried about your kids hearing something indecent, DON'T TURN THE STATION ON. As a previous poster said, it's not like all of the streams will suddenly employ foul mouthed jocks. Hell, some of the streams don't even have jocks. Oooops, I said hell, make sure your kids don't see this.

Cripes, if you are going to put some blinders on your childs development, at least know that there are many other parents that teach their kids to act responsibly. Don't be so naive to think your kids won't ever hear those words in all walks of life. It is your responsibility as a parent to help them distinguish what is right and wrong with what they hear, not to censor and limit their development.
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I have never heard swearing on any of the music stations... I do not listen to the Hard coes ones but if you wanted can't you just lock those?

Raw dog has swearing and they specfically split it from the other channel because of that. So that we could have a clean channel. This contradicts your statement of them not caring about decency...

Lock out the channels you do not want them to hear...

Stern would be a wonderful addition but I do not see it happening anytime soon.

O&A will probably come alot sooner...

Of course I also said I did not see the NFL happening anytime soon and it happened the next week.

I hope Sirius proves me wrong again!
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RIP: So far they haven't heard anything yet. Like I said I'll tell them to turn the stream as soon as the DJ starts talking if it comes to that. It's not widespread? Just this afternoon The Beat used pornographic terms like masturbation, which would be appropriate for a stream called the beat and stripper.

I switched over to the 80s hits to hear wussie - pronounced with a P. I'm glad the kids weren't with me but that was the first time I heard wussie, pronnounced with a P on the radio. Like I said they like to listen to the oldies.
But the strobe, beat, easy, primecountry, the 80s, 90s and rest of oldies are my favorite streams


My point is that it is becoming widespread to encourage Stern to come on down. Isn't anyone else concerned about decency? Bennett was right - where is the outrage?
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The word masturbation is pornographic?

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Here we go again Mr. I, I think that they should be allowed to say whatever they want on Sirius and XM.

I do think that Sirius should keep some streams G rated, Cracked Up Comedy, Kids Stuff, Disney, US 1 and the Pulse.

Others should be PG 13, R and X

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If masturbation isn't a pornographic term, certainly it's act is. Try it in public and see what happens, and I wouldn't want to explain it to the kids riding along in the car out of the clear blue sky after they hear it on the radio.

Mr I, I just wouldn't expect you to understand anything about decency.
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I too would be upset to hear such words on the mainstream channels. If they were on the Rap channels, it wouldn't be such a suprise, since that music is full of swear words anyways. That's why I don't listen to them. But keep the foul language to those channels only.
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If masturbation isn't a pornographic term, certainly it's act is. Try it in public and see what happens, and I wouldn't want to explain it to the kids riding along in the car out of the clear blue sky after they hear it on the radio.

Mr I, I just wouldn't expect you to understand anything about decency.
As to your last statement, well, you would be QUITE wrong about that.

And I would agree with you about the kids, provided they are very young. But they are your kids and you can raise them however you choose, or you SHOULD be able to.

I completely agree with you (and others) that there should be NO indecency surprises. One should have streams that are completely child-safe....

One problem is that few would agree on what, exactly, that means. I think that was the big problem with Ms. Jackson's antic. First of all, it did NOT fit a Super Bowl context...the one FAMILY event America has, or thought it had.

But worse, from what I hear (I am NOT a sports fan, I do NOT watch the Super Bowl--though normally I watch all the ads--now by Internet--the next day), the entire entertainment before Ms. Jackson's stunt (Yes, stunt) was at least marginally, if not totally, inappropriate.

And back to why I made the statement I did. The word 'masturbation' on a family-safe stream may indeed be inappropriate, but I fail to see how it can be pornographic. Pornographic implies dirty writings (literally, now including images) designed to arouse the pruirient (aka sexual) interest. I see NO reason why the word masturbation, standing alone, should do that in a typical listener.

Again, inappropriate? Depends on the context, but I can see that.

Indecent? Perhaps so.

Pornographic? In today's world, no way, no how. Unless, as you said, it was depicting the act---and I fail to see how Sirius could do that unless they were literally describing it. THAT would be indecent on most, but not all, Sirius streams. IMHO. Your opinions (and willingness to pay for a product or not) may well differ. Sirius needs to figure out how to satisfy the most of us possible!
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If masturbation isn't a pornographic term, certainly it's act is. Try it in public and see what happens, and I wouldn't want to explain it to the kids riding along in the car out of the clear blue sky after they hear it on the radio.

Mr I, I just wouldn't expect you to understand anything about decency.
As to your last statement, well, you would be QUITE wrong about that.

And I would agree with you about the kids, provided they are very young. But they are your kids and you can raise them however you choose, or you SHOULD be able to.

I completely agree with you (and others) that there should be NO indecency surprises. One should have streams that are completely child-safe....

One problem is that few would agree on what, exactly, that means. I think that was the big problem with Ms. Jackson's antic. First of all, it did NOT fit a Super Bowl context...the one FAMILY event America has, or thought it had.

But worse, from what I hear (I am NOT a sports fan, I do NOT watch the Super Bowl--though normally I watch all the ads--now by Internet--the next day), the entire entertainment before Ms. Jackson's stunt (Yes, stunt) was at least marginally, if not totally, inappropriate.

And back to why I made the statement I did. The word 'masturbation' on a family-safe stream may indeed be inappropriate, but I fail to see how it can be pornographic. Pornographic implies dirty writings (literally, now including images) designed to arouse the pruirient (aka sexual) interest. I see NO reason why the word masturbation, standing alone, should do that in a typical listener.

Again, inappropriate? Depends on the context, but I can see that.

Indecent? Perhaps so.

Pornographic? In today's world, no way, no how. Unless, as you said, it was depicting the act---and I fail to see how Sirius could do that unless they were literally describing it. THAT would be indecent on most, but not all, Sirius streams. IMHO. Your opinions (and willingness to pay for a product or not) may well differ. Sirius needs to figure out how to satisfy the most of us possible!
Again we agree. You're freakin me out!



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As I was pouring tea just a moment ago, the word I bet you meant to use came to me in an instant.

Profane.

And in the context you mentioned, I agree that the word masturbation was profane..as in out of place, inappropriate and perhaps even vile.

Yep, that's it.

I had no problem with your having a problem. I even see how. I just couldn't see it as being pornographic. But profane? On a family stream? Yep. I agree...

I actually think society views too little as being profane these days. I am a strong believer in free speech, as you well know, but I am also a strong believer in decorum and a place for everything and everything in its place (as long as we are not talking about my towers of newspapers, magazines and books in my office, car and house!)
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OK, we are agreeing. Yes it is profane. Do you know where I watched the SB halftime show - in church with about 200 of the church's youth. The youth pastor had some splaining to do to the kids parents not to mention the deacon board. No one is sure if the game will be seen in church next year as it has been in the last 10.

Maybe I should have said profane but from what I hear, the porno industry is full of masturbation. The guys at work talk about it all the time and that association makes it pornography.The Siri DJ used it in context to a stripper. Maturbation + stripper = pornography.

From our earliest days in the gym we've heard about j****** o** and it doesn't stop at work or even on football msg boards as derogatory insults. It seems to be on everyone's minds including Siri's DJs. Maybe it's because so many do it.

The word wussie definitely shouldn't have been used on the 80s stream.

Thanks again and I apologize for offending anyone and for bringing this subject up. I didn't know the free speech thing was discussed so much.

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