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Old 09-15-2005, 11:39 AM   #16
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I live in Vermont and have both services -so the switch is no big deal to me.
But, it is impossible to overestimate the importance of the NHL to Canadians,
esp. in Montreal and Toronto, the population centers. The local am radio sports channels are almost 100% hockey--even during the lockout.

The CFL does not have the following of the NHL. Hockey Night in Canada is a national institution, the CFL draws low ratings on TV. We get the CBC on our local cable, so I can judge the importance of the two sports by how they are marketed.

Although interest in the NHL was waned in the US, including here in the NE, it is strong and persistent in Canada where generations share the sport the same way we share baseball.

There is no way that this can be good for Sirius, if they are serious about the Canadian market.
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Old 09-15-2005, 01:13 PM   #17
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honestly and no offense to anyone here but most people are saying it is no big deal that sirius lost the NHL simply because they lost it, same as XM people said it was no big deal that XM lost nascar......
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Old 09-15-2005, 03:11 PM   #18
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Exactly, as a stock holder I would rather have hockey then not have it . Especially going into Canada with new service. That one thing will make a difference to quite a few people. It's like having commercials or not having them makes a difference. People got Sirius over Xm because of that and Xm changed their programming to reflect the wants of the subs. So somebody saying it doesn't make a difference, to me is in denial. So we just got to deal with it, and hope that theirs something else out there that will appeal to them!!
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Old 09-15-2005, 06:35 PM   #19
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NHL hit rock bottom last season..... the only way for it to go is up. It will be a slow process but there are going to be alot of incentives to get the casual fans into the arenas (the diehards will go regardless)....
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Old 09-15-2005, 09:04 PM   #20
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The first year I had Sirius (the 2003-04 season), I'd occaisionally check out a hockey game. I found the broadcasts were coming not from local radio broadcasts but from local cable TV telecasts. It wasn't like the NFL, where both teams' local radio broadcasts are available. Cable TV audio wasn't really a fun listen. It'll be interesting as to what XM's plans will be.

Also ironic is that Sirius has the two stronger pro leagues (NFL and NBA), while XM has the two leagues that have had the most labor strife in recent years (MLB and now the NHL). Not to be forgotten, Sirius' college sports line-up is excellent.
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Lets not forget both Sirius and XM have NHL for the next two seasons. My biggest question here is will NHL recover enough to make it worth carrying? I worry NHL really shot themselves in the foot here.
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Old 09-15-2005, 11:26 PM   #22
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Lets not forget both Sirius and XM have NHL for the next two seasons. My biggest question here is will NHL recover enough to make it worth carrying? I worry NHL really shot themselves in the foot here.
I don't think so, if I'm hearing what is happening here in Canada. The NHL is a live and well and most reporters that follow the NHL are quite surprised that there is so much interest in the game after this lengthy lock out. I hope that this is true for the US cities as well.
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NHL On Path For Major Collapse

By Thomas Boswell
Thursday, June 3, 2004

"The NHL is not just in danger of a long labor lockout or a lost season. Professional hockey, though it seems oblivious to its mortal risk, may be on the brink of losing its place as a major team sport.... "Major" is a vague but invaluable distinction conferred in the public mind. Some sports, some events, are major. Some aren't. There's no election, no referendum. Nobody calls to tell you on the day you move from one category to the other. But, over time, it happens. And for years hockey has been slipping back toward "minor." In its most recent TV contract, the NHL accepted terms that were comparable to the Arena Football League.

Once a major sport falls back into the pack of wannabes, it never recovers. Once, prize fighting and horse racing were huge national sports, far bigger than hockey has ever dreamed of being. Does hockey understand that if it shrinks in popularity as much as boxing and horse racing that it will not just be small, it will almost be invisible? Can you say, bowling? Actually, that would be an insult to bowling with its large participant base."

Rest of article at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jun2.html
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Old 09-16-2005, 09:10 AM   #24
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June 2004? Is there a more recent analysis available?
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April 29, 2005

Sport in danger of becoming irrelevant, Orr writes

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"LAWRENCE, Mass. -- Bobby Orr wants NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and players' association executive director Bob Goodenow to "get out of the way" if they can't solve the impasse that led to the cancellation of the NHL's season.

"Our sport is in danger of becoming irrelevant unless both sides immediately put an end to this nonsense," the Boston Bruins great wrote in a column for the Sunday Eagle-Tribune.

Orr, 57, said he initially resisted the urge to comment on the labor dispute because he believed the two sides would resolve their differences for the good of the game. But he said he no longer believes either side is interested in getting a fair deal done.

Owners and players must demand that Bettman and Goodenow meet immediately and keep meeting until they emerge with either an agreement or a statement that they can't resolve their differences and they are stepping aside, Orr wrote.

Orr won the Norris Trophy as the NHL's top defenseman a record eight consecutive times and was a three-time MVP. He remains the only defenseman to win the league scoring championship, a feat he accomplished twice."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2045396
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Actually, I was looking for something post-dispute.
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Actually, I was looking for something post-dispute.
I suggest you tighten your thinking cap a bit.

There's currently not much to analyze.

Last season was completely cancelled. That means a loss of hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. The NHL had already been on shaky financial ground for years.

Their TV deal is comparable to the Arena Football League's, which is a joke compared to the major bucks pro football, basketball and baseball get for their TV contracts.

Experts agree that the coming season is also very tenous. So there's simply not much good to say about the NHL these days.

Sirius may turn out to be very lucky that they DIDN'T sign a long-term contract.
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Actually, I was looking for something post-dispute.
I suggest you tighten your thinking cap a bit.

There's currently not much to analyze.

Last season was completely cancelled. That means a loss of hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. The NHL had already been on shaky financial ground for years.

Their TV deal is comparable to the Arena Football League's, which is a joke compared to the major bucks pro football, basketball and baseball get for their TV contracts.

Experts agree that the coming season is also very tenous. So there's simply not much good to say about the NHL these days.

Sirius may turn out to be very lucky that they DIDN'T sign a long-term contract.
Remember, even ESPN dropped out. The NHL had to scramble for an American TV deal and they got one with OLN (Outdoor Life Network). The only thing I ever watched on that channel was Tour de France.

Admittedly, in the absence of the NHL last winter, I got deeper into college basketball. Hockey was once my #1 winter game, followed by college basketball, but that's now reversed. I think I'll stick with college basketball!
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Here an article in the US Today that sheds some light on what some US cites, that have teams in the NHL, are facing this new season after the lock out.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...ns-cover_x.htm
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Here an article in the US Today that sheds some light on what some US cites, that have teams in the NHL, are facing this new season after the lock out.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...ns-cover_x.htm
pretty fair and honest article....NHL is going to have to go through a rebuilding process. The parity in the salaries will make for an overall improvement of most teams and make the season much more exciting (along with the rule changes ). Similar can be said for the luxury tax in MLB this season creating parity in the game and making for an overall better baseball experience for the fans.....

NHL will survive this... hockey fans are some of the most passionate fans in all of sports

at the very least... for a few seasons theres alot of cities where you can take the kids to a hockey game for only 10 bucks a ticket.........
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