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Old 01-13-2006, 11:28 AM   #1
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What’s everyone think about streaming Howard online? I for one don’t think it’s a good idea being a shareholder. I don’t think it’s a good idea with the current login structure they have. I believe that’s what Sirius is thinking about as well. I think Sirius wants to protect their 500 Mil investment. Don’t get me wrong I LOVE Howard and would LOVE to be able to listen to him at work witch I can’t right now. When I say protect their investment I mean by getting as many Subs as they can without giving any freebies out. If they stream him online I think there will be a lot of password handouts witch would cut into subs. Now this may not be a big percentage but we need as many Subs as we can get. I hear Howard Bitching that they need to get this up but I don’t think he understands how easy it is to give your password out to others to listen to Sirius for free. This may be one of the reasons Sirius doesn’t put any of their premium content online at the moment.

Now here’s is a solution I think will make giving your password out a little more difficult it’s called token login. What you would do is request a token from Sirius for Howard’s channels. Now the token would only be for his channels or any premium channels they link it to. If you don’t want Howard’s Channels you would login the regular way without a token. I know token’s are $$ but I would pay extra to listen to him online. And really it’s not that expensive maybe 20 bucks a piece or less. I think it will be expensive for Sirius to integrate it in their systems but hey if the demand is high to stream him online they should spend the $$$ to do what ever it takes to get him online ASAP. Who knows maybe we can get Sirius to give the tokens out for Free like banks do these days. Once you have the token it would be a 2 stage login process or however Sirius sets it up. You would first put in your Sirius online password then your token password witch changes every 60-90 sec.

For anyone that doesn’t know what tokens are here’s a link.

http://www.aladdin.com/etoken/usb_device.asp
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The alternative to him not streaming online is that a lot of new subscribers are likely to cancel their subscription if they can't listen to him at work.

As a shareholder, that should concern you just as much.

There are ways to check that there is only one person logged in at a time which should alleviate issues with people handing out passwords.
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There are ways to check that there is only one person logged in at a time which should alleviate issues with people handing out passwords.[/quote]

yeah but what if you have 5 subs. this would not be a solution
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P2p...this seems like just the beginning

http://www.hearhoward100.com/
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P2p...this seems like just the beginning

http://www.hearhoward100.com/
http://hearhoward.org
And how long do you think those sites will be operating before Sirius lawyers shut them down? The bit torrent sites are finding out as word of mouth spreads, they get busted, and it will happen here, too. I know they will always keep popping up, but Sirius needs to put the smackdown on them right away to send the message that the only way to hear Stern is to pay. I think security is what is delaying the online streaming issue, and they are right to hold it back until they get it right. They just need to keep Stern better informed about it so he will stop making it sound like it will be ready any minute now.
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The alternative to him not streaming online is that a lot of new subscribers are likely to cancel their subscription if they can't listen to him at work.
Agreed, I work for a newspaper late at night, and the late night replay of the Stern show comes on at 8 here for me, so if I can get online streaming that would be perfect. If Howard won't be online, I'll be extremely dissapointed.
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if he ever does stream sirius will probably have to do one of two things.

1. stream him seperate from the standard stream

2. do away with the free online trial.
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P2p...this seems like just the beginning

http://www.hearhoward100.com/
http://hearhoward.org
And how long do you think those sites will be operating before Sirius lawyers shut them down? The bit torrent sites are finding out as word of mouth spreads, they get busted, and it will happen here, too. I know they will always keep popping up, but Sirius needs to put the smackdown on them right away to send the message that the only way to hear Stern is to pay. I think security is what is delaying the online streaming issue, and they are right to hold it back until they get it right. They just need to keep Stern better informed about it so he will stop making it sound like it will be ready any minute now.
Here read this...


Sirius Radio Being Pirated

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/200...irony_her.html

Friday, January 13, 2006
Great Irony Here: New York Pirates Rebroadcasting Howard Stern Free

Brad Kava, 09:44 AM in Brad Kava, Celebrities, Radio

Pirate broadcasters in Brooklyn and Queens are rebroadcasting Howard Stern's satellite radio show on Pirate conventional FM frequencies, and the irony on this one is sweet.

Will the FCC, which chased Stern off the public airwaves, now crack down on the pirates? The agency needs a complaint to begin an investigation. Will Stern or Sirius be the complainer?

Stern's Sirius may have started a revolution it hadn't planned on.

For those unfamiliar with pirate radio, here are the basics: The airwaves are regulated by the FCC, the Federal Communications Agency, which was created to apportion and license spots on the radio dial, making sure signals didn't bleed over.

The licenses are now worth fortunes, $20 million to more than $100 million, for a good signal. But there are still small holes on the dial, which pirates fill using transmitters that can be bought for as little as a few hundred dollars.

The so-called pirates, who call themselves "free" broadcasters, and see themselves as freedom fighters, have often come up with programming that is ignored by conventional broadcasters.

For example, in San Jose, you can hear a number of good heavy metal pirate stations (sorry I can't reveal the frequencies here, but hunt around, it's not hard). Why? Because commercial radio broadcasters decided it wasn't in the interests of its advertisers, or lucrative enough for them, to program for people who want rock or metal.

So, kids in their bedrooms, or older people with some ingenuity, are broadcasting metal, punk and noncommercial music, sometimes for years, before the FCC gets wind of it and breaks down their doors.

The FCC will only begin an investigation if someone complains. Usually the complainers are commercial broadcasters who claim the signal is causing interference. Sometimes cheapo transmitters can cause problems. Usually, though, the biggest interference is one of cash flow. The broadcasters are threatened by the idea that someone would listen to something that they don't get advertising revenue from.

The radio dial, with impossibly high prices, is basically a government-controlled monopoly, filling the pockets of the large corporations who are the only ones that can afford a signal.

In Chicago there are celebrated pirates in slums, who are giving local news, issues, health programs, and programming content that is absolutely ignored by the corporations who market to the rich. In the Bay Area stations will no longer play music for the young or old, because they aren't in the more lucrative advertising demographic, adults 25-54.

Rebroadcasting Stern's show is especially egregious because it is filled with swear words and because it is a pay service. These pirates are like Napster, and we know how long that lasted before the record companies shut it down.

But they show a form of radio Darwinism. When people want to hear something and the corporations don't provide it, they will find a way to pirate it for the community.

Sirius has been marketing itself as the radio revolution, which it is. It is a true alternative to the stale, limited programming on the conventional dial.

But these pirates are the real revolutionaries. They are giving it away free. What would happen if pirates all over the country started broadcasting Howard's show? A real revolution would begin.

If Stern tries to shut them down, he'll end up in the same position that Metallica was in when it worked to close down Napster. My guess is Sirius will complain, but use proxies to file the complaints, the same way religious groups used shills to complain to the FCC about Stern's vulgarities when he was on commercial radio.

There's a hell of a battle shaping up and it will make for radio history before our eyes.

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That's an interesting article, but it misses one big point. I know they are not getting paid, but the pirates are retransmitting copyrighted material, a more clearly defined criminal act than any obscenity FCC issue. I don't have a "right" to hear Stern on Sirius anymore than I have a right to watch HBO, if I want it, I have to pay. If the pirates are offering it to their neighbors for free, that doesn't change the fact they stole the material. It would be easy to arrest them.
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I got this from soemwhere not sure who:

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According to Bubba on chn 101 said as of 4pm EST yesterday that Sirius had received 600 thousand phone calls and over 1 million sign ups on the web for notification. He also stated that not only are they working on the new system to stream Howard but his show also. As much as I want to listen to Howard at work I do understand that before Howard signed up they had 250 thousand subscribers. Now with those numbers over 3.3 million you'd have to believe that at least 85 - 90% of the increase is because of Howard. So when they say they don't have the system capability I'll believe it. Sure. Maybe there were budget limitations or maybe they didn't fully understand how many people listen at work or online. Even though they will be addressing the piracy issues.

In all likelyhood I suspect that the new online listening system on sirius.com will recquire a listener to own a radio!
Own a radio and have a sub to hear him online.
So if you want to hear howard in your office
buy a car radio and then use that sid on your computer to hear him at work in in your high rise apartment/home.

the reason for owning a radio is simple it keeps piracy way down.
One sid one online ascess.
Maybe you are right maybe we could allow a 2nd somehow with the use of customer accnt #
A lifetime sub is only 499- less the a weeks salary! Not Bad!

Myself i would price online lifetime subs to a higher price
Maybe 700 dollars
Reason being all lifetime subs would end eventualy
A lifetime for online would last for yrs more.


These are just ideas on my part
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In all likelyhood I suspect that the new online listening system on sirius.com will recquire a listener to own a radio!
Own a radio and have a sub to hear him online.
So if you want to hear howard in your office
buy a car radio and then use that sid on your computer to hear him at work in in your high rise apartment/home.

the reason for owning a radio is simple it keeps pricay way down. One sid one online ascess. Maybe you are right maybe we could allow a 2nd somehow with the use of customer accnt # a lifetime sub is only 499- less the a weeks salary! Not Bad!


These are just ideas on my part
I like that plan, this is still satellite RADIO and streaming is a sideline perk, forcing the purchase of a unit reinforces that concept. There are plenty of low-priced units to choose from, it shouldn't be a burden for anyone.
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Old 01-17-2006, 11:30 AM   #12
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if he ever does stream sirius will probably have to do one of two things.

1. stream him seperate from the standard stream

2. do away with the free online trial.
I agree that they would need to separate the stream for Howard's Show and I think bandwidth is the real issue behind why it hasn't happened yet.

I don't think they would have to stop the free trial. As it is today, a trial member doesn't have all the privileges of a full member (unable to use the smaller interface). They can make Howard or any premium content unavailable to the trial ID's. It would not be too hard to do this.
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As a huge Howard Stern fan I would love to be able to listen to him at work. As a Sirius Stock Holder and sub holder I would hate for people to be able to get the show for free. But the truth is I know of at least 5 people (and I don't have alot of friends who have not sub to Sirius because they cannot hear Howard online. The majority of people have only car units and or could not get a satelitte signal in thier office so the only time they get to hear the show is on the drive to work like me (45 minutes). I think making Howard (securely) available online will have a great impact on subs.
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if he ever does stream sirius will probably have to do one of two things.

1. stream him seperate from the standard stream

2. do away with the free online trial.
I agree that they would need to separate the stream for Howard's Show and I think bandwidth is the real issue behind why it hasn't happened yet.

I don't think they would have to stop the free trial. As it is today, a trial member doesn't have all the privileges of a full member (unable to use the smaller interface). They can make Howard or any premium content unavailable to the trial ID's. It would not be too hard to do this.
Beat me to it. Just simply make the free trial music only, and that problem is solved.
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I am a paying subscriber and a howard stern listener!

What I do is stream the show for my own use..

I stream it at 128K and it sounds beautiful and keep the link just to myself!!

I Love it!

That is what everyone should do!
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