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Old 12-02-2006, 03:13 PM   #46
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I never really have understood people coming to a fan board and talking down about that company, product, etc. Really what's the point? Do you think you're actually going to change people's minds? And if you do, what's in it for you?
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I never really have understood people coming to a fan board and talking down about that company, product, etc. Really what's the point? Do you think you're actually going to change people's minds? And if you do, what's in it for you?
I like hearing both sides of the arguments. I own SIRI, I'm a loyal listener, and as a new car dealer of most major brands I see sat radio sales from the ground level of arguably the most important segment to sat radio's future. Don't get mad about a minority opinion, make couter points.
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I never really have understood people coming to a fan board and talking down about that company, product, etc. Really what's the point? Do you think you're actually going to change people's minds? And if you do, what's in it for you?
strange remark.

since when is stating opinions supported by facts "talking down"?

i must have missed the name of this forum - what I thought it said was "The Street Converse with other investors about finance, economic and investment strategies. This is also the place to discuss SIRIUS company news and your favorite stocks."

your remark suggests that it said, "The Street - Converse with other investors and express your undying support for Sirius management; your opinion is welcome here so long as it is pro-siri". If thats what was meant maybe someone can change it and people who actually _THINK_ about this stuff can go post somewhere else and leave only those who carry the companys water to present an 'unbiased' view.

unreal. no wonder so many siri s/hs are underwater on the investments. they dont want to see any facts about their beloved.
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Old 12-02-2006, 08:39 PM   #49
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strange remark.

since when is stating opinions supported by facts "talking down"?

i must have missed the name of this forum - what I thought it said was "The Street Converse with other investors about finance, economic and investment strategies. This is also the place to discuss SIRIUS company news and your favorite stocks."

your remark suggests that it said, "The Street - Converse with other investors and express your undying support for Sirius management; your opinion is welcome here so long as it is pro-siri". If thats what was meant maybe someone can change it and people who actually _THINK_ about this stuff can go post somewhere else and leave only those who carry the companys water to present an 'unbiased' view.

unreal. no wonder so many siri s/hs are underwater on the investments. they dont want to see any facts about their beloved.
Oh you mean like XM fans? Have you read XMfan or XM411? And what sort of angle do you read there?
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Old 12-02-2006, 08:48 PM   #50
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Never again will another radio personality receive the kind of deal stern did. Not even Stern. someone called it desperation and thats what it was.

a lot of people would argue that siris recent success has had more to do with the replacing of joe clayton w/ mel k. than it had to do with stern. stern is a drain on siris assets while mel k. has reformed siris mgmt into something that can work.

whether they can find their way thru the fog clayton left them in is another question.
Despiration is indeed what it was. But if XM had Stern instead, Sirius would be in deep shlt right now. Yea, he was expensive, but he's bringing Sirius money -end of story. What's the problem if he's bringing in subs?

Mel is the man, and the street knows it. He's huge to the company, just like Stern is. Him and Howard go hand in hand and will make this company profitable. Now who has turned the company around more is hard to say. Mel alone wouldn't have drew subs, that's for sure.
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Old 12-02-2006, 09:25 PM   #51
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Oh you mean like XM fans? Have you read XMfan or XM411? And what sort of angle do you read there?
sure i read both sometimes but only xm411 has a stock forum i think but i believe theyre fairly tolerent there. only a couple ive noticed who are extreme in their antixmsr and prosiri talk get bitched at.

i think it is different when someone presents a rational argument vs. when someone just posts unsupported bull.

i dont have a problem with moving on if im bothering you guys. some of these boards just prefer cheerleading over cold hard facts. my posts are about cold hard facts. it isnt a big deal to me one way or another.
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Despiration is indeed what it was. But if XM had Stern instead, Sirius would be in deep shlt right now.
hate to break it to you but siri _IS_ in ddep shit right now. they have now backed away from the previous guidance (and remember, the biggest month of the yr is yet to come). they are spending a _lot_ of money -- massive high$ tv advertising, huge full page newspaper ads, receiver giveaways by the truckload. and they were looking at losing over a billion (i think merrill has them at 1-1-1.2 billion loss) before this.

they are in deep shit whether you already know it or not.


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sure he is bringing in some money but he is also costing siri a lot. remember, at least 300m of siris loss this year will be attributable to stern and thats before you count the cost of all that sacs for stern subs etc as i showed above.

i'll move on -- it is evident that my post above in which i set out precisely how stern is at very best a marginal winner for siri over the 5 yrs (and more likely a very big loser) was ignored while nobody in this forum has bothered to so much as post any data in support of an adverse position.

gtly all.
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i dont have a problem with moving on if im bothering you guys. some of these boards just prefer cheerleading over cold hard facts. my posts are about cold hard facts. it isnt a big deal to me one way or another.
Actually I am still waiting on some good cold hard verifiable facts from you. All I see is a lot of speculation. Perhaps if you practice what you preached you wouldn't get the reaction that you do. I think most of us just see you as an XM'er that is over on a SIRIUS forum preaching the XM gospel and of course defending XM with your bias cold hard facts. LOL
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From what I've seen in the stores this year in my area, the demand for Sirius is much greater than last year. And there are many more radio choices and inventory in stock + the Stilleto. I think we might be in for a real surprise (and Wall Street) come the end of the year.....for once. I dont know what's driving it, NASCAR, Stern or just people finally becoming aware of satellite radio, but people are buying where I live at stores like Target, Walmart, etc.
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I believe that SIRIUS would have already gone under without Stern. 600,000 subs and they grew to 5.1 million in one year. Mel has already said on several shows they feel they got their money's worth and that Stern has paid for himself.
Could you clarify this. I are you saying they went from 600k subs to 5.1 million in one year?
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:14 AM   #56
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FlagRiot has a strange way of doing business it seems. He seems to think that the heads of Sirius just came up with some $$$ out of the blue without accounting for any of it. To base your entire point of view on that is just weak.

Before Stern = 600,000 subs.
today = 5,000,000subs

If you want to believe that Martha Stewart and Uncle Bruce are responsible for these subs then fine. Stern is a fraud.

STERN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AT LEAST 2MILLION OF THESE SUBSCRIBERS AND THAT'S BEING NICE.

Before Stern, there was no $600M to even talk about. All they had to talk about was HOW DO WE STAY AFLOAT ANOTHER MONTH???

They talked with a man that could get them the subscription numbers to generate enough revenue to free up $600million. They figured that about a million subscriptions on top of the ad revenue would be a minimum to break even.

THEY ARE BEYOND THIS BREAK EVEN POINT AND STILL COUNTING.

That $600Million was for 5 YEARS. If he adds another 2 million over the next 4 years they win.

FlagRiot seems to forget that ALL US BUSINESSES are running on FUTURE GROWTH AND PROFITS. Just like stern and his 5 YEAR PLAN.

EVERYONE IS BROKE RIGHT NOW. Doesn't mean they will be in the future. So in 4 years if they are still broke then you can stay I told you so.
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"EVERYONE IS BROKE RIGHT NOW."

Very funny....


Everyone? All US businesses are broke? Like Apple? IBM? MS?


Neither XM or Sirius has 4 years left in their 5 year plan Comrade. Their outside competition is only going to get tougher, IMHO 2007 will be the make or break year for one or both companies.
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No, like companies that RELY on US dollars to survive like THE AUTO INDUSTRY, AIRLINE INDUSTRY, SUPERMARKETS, DEPT STORES, FM RADIO, REAL ESTATE MARKET, WEAK US DOLLAR.....

Wanna throw WALMART in there too cause they are REAL GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY.

So NEXT YEAR IS IT Huh? As I do not DISAGREE with that statement I think they will BOTH be around longer than 2007. I DO believe they can and will merge at some point though.

I say, there will be 3 options at some point. A standard subscription, a Premium, and a Premium Plus Video option.

I also do not think that the people Stern does business with are going to fail anytime soon. Stern only knows how to make people money and his track record shows this.
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If the stock sinks to $2.50, BUY!

Long-term outlook is bright! Twenty million subscribers. People are fed up with conventional radio. Sirius will eventually make money, buy back stock, and retire debt. It will take a few years, however.
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William Claude couldn't have said it better.

Siri won't sink below 3.75 anymore so don't hold your breath. It will be 10-12 bucks by 2009-2012 however. If it merges with XM it could hit those levels 2007-2009. Buy it, put it up, and forget it.

I was puzzled where Mel was getting his 3 billion number for 2010. Now I feel that it must be revenues he's expecting from video and video advertising.

Except DCX and Ford to lead the way. Automakers are looking for something that sets their auto apart from the competition. Video/Satrad is just that.
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I was going to abandon this thread and I apologize to all for reappearing and i promise to leave again.

BUT YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU JUST WROTE.

You actually believe backseat cartoons and ads thereon are going to be a source of significant revenue for siri? by 2010 no less?

surely you can see just how tiny this market is. and already you have all kinds of people competing before siri even gets its product to market.

you may have piles of 10ks on your desk but you are apparently not thinking too hard about these subjects.
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