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Old 12-11-2006, 04:38 PM   #16
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From a person who is extremely LONG Sirius......

As it has been stated thousands of times, sales are way off this year. It would appear that there is no noteworthy buzz going around either to make Sirius/XM a desirable gift this time. Last year the buzz was incredible!!!! Every store was out of stock. This year, inventory is NOT a problem. A number of stores that I have been in, maybe 7, have plenty of merchandise. Is it good reason to be alarmed for the long term prospects, probably NOT. There is no way Sirius/XM can keep growing at a 100% rate, so it is expected to slow down. Now each company just has to manage their growth at a reasonable cost.
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Last year the buzz was incredible!!!!
sure. siri was dropping hundreds of millions of dollars on stern. that creates 'buzz'.

this yr stern has taken $$$ but the buzz is nowhere to be found except he is suposed to be on letterman sometime soon.

as siri looks back on having spent all that money on stern for a single years excitement the realization is driven home that the biggest winner in satellite radio was stern and the biggest loser was siri for hiring him.

i dont feel good about my satellite.rad. investment right now and would feel a lot worse if i had much money in siri cause it sure appears that getting above 4 and staying there is going to be very hard to do. not sure if xmsr can get above 15 and stay there either.
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...This year, inventory is NOT a problem. A number of stores that I have been in, maybe 7, have plenty of merchandise. Is it good reason to be alarmed for the long term prospects, probably NOT. There is no way Sirius/XM can keep growing at a 100% rate, so it is expected to slow down. Now each company just has to manage their growth at a reasonable cost.
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as siri looks back on having spent all that money on stern for a single years excitement the realization is driven home that the biggest winner in satellite radio was stern and the biggest loser was siri for hiring him.
Haven't you beat this dead horse enough? Damn, every post!!
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From a person who is extremely LONG Sirius......

As it has been stated thousands of times, sales are way off this year. It would appear that there is no noteworthy buzz going around either to make Sirius/XM a desirable gift this time. Last year the buzz was incredible!!!! Every store was out of stock. This year, inventory is NOT a problem. A number of stores that I have been in, maybe 7, have plenty of merchandise. Is it good reason to be alarmed for the long term prospects, probably NOT. There is no way Sirius/XM can keep growing at a 100% rate, so it is expected to slow down. Now each company just has to manage their growth at a reasonable cost.
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Your thoughts please.

I would have expected the NASCAR move to negate the Siri downgrade and possibly hurt XM more than we might be thinking. It appears given what little data we have that the NASCAR move is not making the impact we Siri fans expected.

Is this a matter of seeing the defections once the spring season starts or has Siri ( and I for example ) misconstrued the impact of this sport ?
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Your thoughts please.

I would have expected the NASCAR move to negate the Siri downgrade and possibly hurt XM more than we might be thinking. It appears given what little data we have that the NASCAR move is not making the impact we Siri fans expected.

Is this a matter of seeing the defections once the spring season starts or has Siri ( and I for example ) misconstrued the impact of this sport ?
NASCAR did very little for XM, why does anyone think it's signing with Sirius will be different!

Car racing on the radio? It doesn't seem like the best medium for the sport.
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NASCAR did very little for XM, why does anyone think it's signing with Sirius will be different!

Car racing on the radio? It doesn't seem like the best medium for the sport.
Just like Playboy channel didn't do anything on XM. XM sucks at promoting channels and they also don't get behind the programming. Just ask O&A which nearly died on the vine initially because of the piss poor manner in which XM was promoting them. I remember the two of them always bitching about how XM was not behind them and I agree it was absolutely true. XM did the same with Playboy and the exactly same with NASCAR. Just wait till you see the difference in how SIRIUS and NASCAR go together vs XM and NASCAR it will be night and day.

Do I believe NASCAR will deliver SIRIUS, NO I do not, anymore than I felt Stern would deliver SIRIUS. However, it certainly does not hurt as many are saying. The bottom line is at some point this has to turn into subscribers and while I think it will, I don't see it setting the call center on fire come Jan 1 when it happens, but overtime it will indeed sure up their content.
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honestly anyone who goes to a bestbuy between black friday and mid feb. is a moron. (no offense)
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What effect will NASCAR have on Sirius is a great question. While I am not a NASCAR fan and do not know anyone who follows NASCAR, it is proven that NASCAR has a big and loyal following. Will it translate into subscribers, definitely. How many is the question though. My guess is that Sirius will make more than they have paid for it between subs and advertising which in my opinion is good enough.
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NASCAR did very little for XM, why does anyone think it's signing with Sirius will be different!

Car racing on the radio? It doesn't seem like the best medium for the sport.
I've never watched a NASCAR race before, and I really don't care about the sport. However, the in car audio has enough intrigue for me to check it out. I will probably turn on the tv and watch a race, while channel surfing the in car audio channels. I know there will be a delay...but who cares?
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Just like Playboy channel didn't do anything on XM. XM sucks at promoting channels and they also don't get behind the programming. Just ask O&A which nearly died on the vine initially because of the piss poor manner in which XM was promoting them. I remember the two of them always bitching about how XM was not behind them and I agree it was absolutely true. XM did the same with Playboy and the exactly same with NASCAR. Just wait till you see the difference in how SIRIUS and NASCAR go together vs XM and NASCAR it will be night and day.

Do I believe NASCAR will deliver SIRIUS, NO I do not, anymore than I felt Stern would deliver SIRIUS. However, it certainly does not hurt as many are saying. The bottom line is at some point this has to turn into subscribers and while I think it will, I don't see it setting the call center on fire come Jan 1 when it happens, but overtime it will indeed sure up their content.
Well, we'll have to wait and see. You and I have been down this road before concerning the other sports. To me football, basketball, hockey and NASCAR make little sense on the radio. Baseball is the only radio sport, IMO . But even the MLB deal XM has I feel they vastly overpaid for. I live in NY and I can get Met, Yankee and Red Sox games all over my AM/FM dial, for free. So it doesn't surprise me that XM hasn't signed up boatloads of subs because of their MLB deal.

I'm going off on my Sirius and XM have overpaid for all these contracts tangent , I apologize!!
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Well, we'll have to wait and see. You and I have been down this road before concerning the other sports. To me football, basketball, hockey and NASCAR make little sense on the radio. Baseball is the only radio sport, IMO . But even the MLB deal XM has I feel they vastly overpaid for. I live in NY and I can get Met, Yankee and Red Sox games all over my AM/FM dial, for free. So it doesn't surprise me that XM hasn't signed up boatloads of subs because of their MLB deal.

I'm going off on my Sirius and XM have overpaid for all these contracts tangent , I apologize!!
I listen to NFL games all the time on Sirius...and I love being able to listen to both sides announcers. The NFL was without a doubt a selling point to me when I chose Sirius.

As someone else said in this forum...if you bet on sports you want to hear the game if you can't see it.
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I listen to NFL games all the time on Sirius...and I love being able to listen to both sides announcers. The NFL was without a doubt a selling point to me when I chose Sirius.

As someone else said in this forum...if you bet on sports you want to hear the game if you can't see it.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who signed up with Sirius for the NFL, and plenty who signed with XM for the MLB..

But when in business that business must weigh what it's costing them to sell a product against the cost to make the product. or in XM's and Sirius's case what it's costing them to sign up subs.

Short term except for Stern I have serious doubts that any of these big contracts are worth the money XM and Sirius paid out, and I have doubts that even the Sterns deal, in the LONG run, will pan out for Sirius.

Neither company had the kind of money they were throwing around the last 2 years.
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not so sure about that at least in the case of mlb a person can draw some inferences for what the rights are going for. 2 teams rights going for half what xmsr got the entire mlb rights for. Hard to argue xmsr didn't get value on that basis.

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December 10, 2006 -- The Yankees are about to hit a home run with their new radio deal - an expected $14 million-a-year pact with WCBS-880, The Post has learned.

The soon-to-be-inked-agreement, a $70 million, five-year deal, according to sources, represents a 17 percent increase over the team's current radio contract, which is an impressive windfall considering other teams have been forced to accept single-digit bumps.

While the Yankees' new deal is lucrative, it is less than the record contract the Red Sox agreed to earlier this year.

Boston signed a new, 10-year radio deal for $15 million per season.

The Yankees have just completed a $60 million, five-year deal with WCBS.

In fact, while the Yankees failed to capture a richer radio deal, they did have an opportunity to trump their Beantown rivals by having their games broadcast deeper into Red Sox territory.

CBS Radio, the parent company of WCBS, had serious discussions about switching its 50,000-watt, WTIC-AM station in Hartford from the Red Sox to the Yankees. But since there are more Boston fans in the area, the Red Sox games were more valuable to CBS and switching the station to Yankees games - while a moral victory - would have forced George Steinbrenner to accept less money.

"At the end of the day, was it worth it for the Yankees to really get in the [Red Sox] shorts?" asked a prominent radio executive with knowledge of the deal.

"That radio station is in the Southern New England corridor as well as parts of Connecticut that overlap with CBS-AM. It is like being in a war and sneaking over the border in a raid - 'let me sneak over the border and capture some of their people.' "

Ultimately, the Yanks opted for more money rather than more territory.

As part of the Yankee deal, CBS will retain the Spanish-language game rights. Last season, in a time-buy, those were sold to WADO (1280 AM). CBS again will look to buy time on a Spanish-language station.

WCBS has made the move to retain the Yankees to continue to differentiate itself from 1010 WINS. Both are all-news stations, but WCBS can use its association with the Yankees - to draw more of a distinction between the two stations.
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You're comparing apples and oranges. Between those 2 teams there's maybe 35-40 MILLION potential listeners in the AM market these deals cover.... How many of XM's 7 mil subs will tune in the Yankees and BoSox?
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