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Old 12-16-2006, 03:08 PM   #16
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yeah, a couple of other things -- oprah consisting of 8-9 shows, take 5 with ellen, tyra, and others. gma radio. air america. o&a. more comedy although some of it isnt great.

other then stern xmsrs talk lineup is at least as good as siris and in terms of what is attractive to women xmsr runs off and leaves siri.

but the music is the big difference and where xmsr is really much better then siri -- the rest of it is just whatever you prefer stern or o&a but in the music area xmsr is changing the way people think about radio while siri is just repeating fms mistakes.

Pretty much none of which is exclusive content.
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i disagree but who the hell cares? stern has howard exclusively and look at the mess they are in - he has practically become a recluse having to go on the talk show circuit blatantly self promoting to generate any interest at all.

paying big premiums for 'exclusive content' is a mistake. neither of these guys can afford it and other then stern it is not going to bring subs (rush could be hes not coming).

others have said it and they are right that stern stuck on siri is a mistake. he needs to be on terrestrial where he can be heard. the smartest move siri could make today is to sell the stern show to xmsr for $25m/y - the stern effect is over, no longer bringing large #s of subs and siri sure needs the $$$$. never happen cause at this point i dont think xmsr would pay it anyway. but if they would siri should jump on it.

dont get me wrong if you can get exclusive content at a reasonable price it is great. but if you are going to bankrupt the co to get it as siri has done it is a big mistakeimo.
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The reason I haven't banned Flag_Riot (and I'm speaking only for myself here) is that he makes arguments. Sometimes they're backed by facts, often they're backed by his opinion, but he makes an argument. If others are unconvinced, they make counter-arguments. As long as FR is not attacking members, or leading on others to attack him, I'll let him be.
Now, please understand, I also think he has rose-colored glasses on when looking at XM, and sees every move of Sirius' in the worst possible light. Example: When XM lowers guidence it is a honest and smart move looking at things as they are; when Sirius lower guidence, it's evidence of the bottom falling out, and Mel's conspriricy to mislead investors. I'm sure he believes the NFL is a waste (because football is a TV sport) but having the BCS games on XM is brilliant (because not all fans can spend their lives in front of TV's) and doesn't see that as a contridiction.
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Mods- why isn't this flagriot banned yet???? He could be the most obvious troll I've seen in quite some time.

XM has a clear advantage in talk? Yes, they have Oprah and a couple of other things but Sirius has Martha Stewart, Cosmo, Lime, Maxim, OutQ and Sirius Stars.

NFL is a waste on radio? I'm not even going to comment, that speaks for itself.


I agree with you SISO. I get disgusted everytime I read his post. I wish he would go to the XM board where he belongs...this is SIRIUS BACKSTAGE....just my opinion!
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i think ncaa coverage is more important then nfl because nfl games run on sunday afternoon when everyone is home to watch them. i dont have a big opinion on the bcs games but if xmsr gets the sec i do believe it is a very important acquisition because it pretty much cements their leadership in ncaa coverage whereas right now it is sort of a tossup.
Total and utter nonsense.... The NFL is a waste. ROTFOL I don't even need to comment on this one.

It is true that it would be a feather in XM's cap to get the SEC if that in fact does happen. Only time will tell.
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I don't think he is really a troll, but is clearly bias towards XM and anti-SIRIUS as evident by his post.

I think the complaint that most have is what is his purpose here? Why would he be on a SIRIUS fan site and yet NEVER have anything positive to say about them ever. This isn't about any of the drama he tries to make it out to be. But you know this is a SIRIUS Fan forum and he clearly isn't a SIRIUS fan in no regard whatsoever (content, management, stock, financial or any other way). He can't answer this question, but it is a valid one.

I won't give my opinion or reason as to why I've not banned him at this point, because that is inappropriate for a moderator to do. But he has been warned. But the mere fact that each thread he participate in become about him tells me all I need to know.
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Why are you making this thread 'about me' again?

You have, privately, 'warned me' that I should not challenge what other people post. You 'warned me' that I believe my opinion is the only one that matters; yet I wonder whether you 'warned' the others like bmf or whisker or siso that they should not be adamant in their positions?

You warned me that you have had several other posters asking you to ban me. apparently, they can't tolerate factual posts, either. folks feel they can't have a discussion because I post here.

I have not namecalled. I have not posted off topic. I have not dominated threads anymore than other people do at times. I have not presented opinions anymore than other people do at times (although my opinions are often different). And my posts are at least as factual as those proclaiming Sirius will add millions of subscribers from a 2-day free trial or that Sirius is expensing a new satellite in '06). Do you just prefer that these ridiculous statements stand without any challenge?

You warned me that everyone should be able to post an opinion without feeling like they have to argue with someone to share it. Well, what is the point of this board? Everyone needs to line up behind the company view, I guess. You warned me that if I can't 'back off', I should leave. rum.

I'm out of here. Seeking greener pastures. A place where open and honest debate is not only tolerated but encouraged. Here, if you aren't pro-siri you aren't welcome.

This thread is about SIRI as an investment. But we don't want to hear anything NEGATIVE about SIRI. Only positive.

You might as well have Joe Clayton here telling you guys how great Sirius is as an investment.
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Why are you making this thread 'about me' again?

You have, privately, 'warned me' that I should not challenge what other people post. You 'warned me' that I believe my opinion is the only one that matters; yet I wonder whether you 'warned' the others like bmf or whisker or siso that they should not be adamant in their positions?

You warned me that you have had several other posters asking you to ban me. apparently, they can't tolerate factual posts, either. folks feel they can't have a discussion because I post here.

I have not namecalled. I have not posted off topic. I have not dominated threads anymore than other people do at times. I have not presented opinions anymore than other people do at times (although my opinions are often different). And my posts are at least as factual as those proclaiming Sirius will add millions of subscribers from a 2-day free trial or that Sirius is expensing a new satellite in '06). Do you just prefer that these ridiculous statements stand without any challenge?

You warned me that everyone should be able to post an opinion without feeling like they have to argue with someone to share it. Well, what is the point of this board? Everyone needs to line up behind the company view, I guess. You warned me that if I can't 'back off', I should leave. rum.

I'm out of here. Seeking greener pastures. A place where open and honest debate is not only tolerated but encouraged. Here, if you aren't pro-siri you aren't welcome.

This thread is about SIRI as an investment. But we don't want to hear anything NEGATIVE about SIRI. Only positive.

You might as well have Joe Clayton here telling you guys how great Sirius is as an investment.
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Good post. I have a shit load of SIRI stock and am not sure that your challenges to Siri isn't in the best interest of the thinking amonst us. You might be right.

In defense of SBS folks, you're taking less heat that I would say at XMFAN if I posted dissenting opinions there. Which doesn't make any flogging you take justified mind you.
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I'll never understand why people act as if their penis' shrink 2 inches whenever something negative is said or something they don't really want to hear is said. Its like people think they have some God given right to not be offended or want to stick their head in the sand when someone feels the polar opposite that they do and doesn't mind debating it.

This same thing happened when Muscle was here and while I enjoyed his arguments he got all pissy and left when setiment turned negative as far as Sirius as an investment went. That is what this board should be about, people with diverse views on investing that are all shared here. If you want to thump your chest and sound off about how great Sirius is and how your going to make billions or whatever then go for it. Just don't expect more level headed people here that might not see it your way to not say anything. This isn't my board and whatever the moderators or owners want is their call, thats just how I see things and if they disagree so be it. This is their sand box.

Granted some people are overly negative, but the flip side of that is people here also are overly positive. I still remember very clearly people telling me I was dead wrong and crazy because I said that the XM slowdown we saw 6+ months ago would translate directly to Sirius. I've been saying nearly since the first day I posted here that Sirius as an investment was a terrible decision, in the begining it was more concern in the short term but now that has brought about whole new concerns for the long run as well. Lets not mention the retention issues that WILL be comming up as Sirius is further behind Xm on the growth curve and has just grown very rapidly very quickly.

Does this too make me overly negative? Probably not as I'm not bitching up every thread about it a hundred times. I think the difference is while I respect most of the members of this forum despite their views I honestly couldn't give a shit less what anyone has to say about me or what I think. I don't feel the need to respond to every single little thing that I may or may not agree with and as long as the discussion here continues to be enjoyable I'll remain.

As for Flagriot I respect his views and while he has an XM bias he isn't so far off base that some of you should be attacking him. If you want to discuss the issues then so be it but attacking him and acting like a 10 year old that is running to mommy because you dont' like what he said is pathetic in my opinion. He isn't being overly nasty to anyone and most of his posts contain good information, even if you might not like what it says. This is afterall a stock forum if you want the unbiased faboi side there are several others here which many of the negative comments are not present. So in other words I think the complaints many of you have about him specifically are generally unwarranted.

Whicker tends to cross the line a bit more and I just tend to either quickly scan his posts for anything remotely useful and ignore the rest. I'm not going to get into an internet message board pissing contest with anyone as its not worth it. I;ll suggest that the rest of you do the same.

Thats just how I see it. Get off the "XYZ is Plowboy" bull shit or any of the other drama. This is an investment forum not some fucking VN douche contest (I Modded the VN forums for awhile so I understand all this drama crap all too well) so grow up and take it in stride. I'm sure the mods here understand IP checks, ranges, proxy's and how to detect if anyone here being a jack ass could be plowboy or any other idiot that has been removed and take appropriate action.

Let them do their jobs and stop making this a day time soap opera.

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This thread is about SIRI as an investment. But we don't want to hear anything NEGATIVE about SIRI. Only positive.
Just responding to the question that was posed by a couple of posters. But here you write a full page about yourself and you are asking me why am I making this thread about you. I didn't have to do anything that was already happening and you are continuing it.

No where have you seen me say that the only thing we want posted is positive. I don't know anyone that only post positive statements about SIRIUS on this forum including me. But we don't spend all our time posting nothing but negative either, which is indeed what you do. There is no balance to your views of SIRIUS its just all negative. This is why folks on this forum have the feelings about you that they do. Perhaps if you had a balance approach you wouldn't get that sort of feedback.

By the way, I have indeed warned others not only in threads but privately. So trying to make this being just about you won't fly.
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All this Xm vs. Sirius banter is so boring, and means nothing in the long run. By 2010 they will have both merged and become profitable.
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I agree. Christ, all I've really been trying to do is refute the "fact" that Howard got paid $200 million on top of the $500 million. Also, and FYI, the $500 million wasn't just for Howard's show- it's for ALL the shows and staff on both the channels.
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Does this too make me overly negative? Probably not as I'm not bitching up every thread about it a hundred times. I think the difference is while I respect most of the members of this forum despite their views I honestly couldn't give a shit less what anyone has to say about me or what I think. I don't feel the need to respond to every single little thing that I may or may not agree with and as long as the discussion here continues to be enjoyable I'll remain.
Good Post Adam and I couldn't have said it any better. While you and I don't always agree you aren't always negative. You lay your views out there and if folks like it fine if they don't that is fine too. I've never seen you find it necessary to defend your position without end or challenging others in every thread. If they have weird ideas or unprovable thoughts, that is all about them, it isn't your job to try to explain it to them or change their opinion.

I heard an old saying a long time ago. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I may happen to like mine better than yours, but that doesn't mean you need to try to shove yours down my throat.

2010 is a long way away and I still just do not see these companies merging. There is just no incentive for that to happen. I do remember you posting about XM reduced guidance you were absolutey correct. I too felt SIRIUS was over forecasting big time. I even posted that I didn't see how on earth they could possible meet year end guidance. Mel has done a lot of good things, but he isn't a miracle worker. I feel for both of these companies next year will be "Make it or Break It" time!
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All this Xm vs. Sirius banter is so boring, and means nothing in the long run. By 2010 they will have both merged and become profitable.

For once we all agree.

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I'll never understand why people act as if their penis' shrink 2 inches whenever something negative is said or something they don't really want to hear is said. Its like people think they have some God given right to not be offended or want to stick their head in the sand when someone feels the polar opposite that they do and doesn't mind debating it.

This same thing happened when Muscle was here and while I enjoyed his arguments he got all pissy and left when setiment turned negative as far as Sirius as an investment went. That is what this board should be about, people with diverse views on investing that are all shared here. If you want to thump your chest and sound off about how great Sirius is and how your going to make billions or whatever then go for it. Just don't expect more level headed people here that might not see it your way to not say anything. This isn't my board and whatever the moderators or owners want is their call, thats just how I see things and if they disagree so be it. This is their sand box.

Granted some people are overly negative, but the flip side of that is people here also are overly positive. I still remember very clearly people telling me I was dead wrong and crazy because I said that the XM slowdown we saw 6+ months ago would translate directly to Sirius. I've been saying nearly since the first day I posted here that Sirius as an investment was a terrible decision, in the begining it was more concern in the short term but now that has brought about whole new concerns for the long run as well. Lets not mention the retention issues that WILL be comming up as Sirius is further behind Xm on the growth curve and has just grown very rapidly very quickly.

Does this too make me overly negative? Probably not as I'm not bitching up every thread about it a hundred times. I think the difference is while I respect most of the members of this forum despite their views I honestly couldn't give a shit less what anyone has to say about me or what I think. I don't feel the need to respond to every single little thing that I may or may not agree with and as long as the discussion here continues to be enjoyable I'll remain.

As for Flagriot I respect his views and while he has an XM bias he isn't so far off base that some of you should be attacking him. If you want to discuss the issues then so be it but attacking him and acting like a 10 year old that is running to mommy because you dont' like what he said is pathetic in my opinion. He isn't being overly nasty to anyone and most of his posts contain good information, even if you might not like what it says. This is afterall a stock forum if you want the unbiased faboi side there are several others here which many of the negative comments are not present. So in other words I think the complaints many of you have about him specifically are generally unwarranted.

Whicker tends to cross the line a bit more and I just tend to either quickly scan his posts for anything remotely useful and ignore the rest. I'm not going to get into an internet message board pissing contest with anyone as its not worth it. I;ll suggest that the rest of you do the same.

Thats just how I see it. Get off the "XYZ is Plowboy" bull shit or any of the other drama. This is an investment forum not some fucking VN douche contest (I Modded the VN forums for awhile so I understand all this drama crap all too well) so grow up and take it in stride. I'm sure the mods here understand IP checks, ranges, proxy's and how to detect if anyone here being a jack ass could be plowboy or any other idiot that has been removed and take appropriate action.

Let them do their jobs and stop making this a day time soap opera.
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