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Old 01-05-2007, 06:13 PM   #16
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It's not pathetic since Sirius had a bigger draw with some additions of other programming that drew more people to subscribe to their sat radio.
Yes it is pathetic, because the programming and draw that you offer is all part of it. XM has boxed themselves into a corner with lack of the programming that draws subscribers. This is called competition!

I do feel that iPods and other MP3 players out on the market do compete with Sat Radio and this is something that both SIRIUS and XM need to wake up too.

290 million folks listen to testical radio... hey that is great... that is a huge pool of potential subscribers and with the right products, content and marketing many of those can be obtained.
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People are really warming up to the idea to Sat radio, it's becoming less of an oddity. I have a starmate docked in it's boombox at work and not only people in the office but outside folks too seem more interested in learning about it in the last few months than ever before.

Once people are curious then you let them listen to it, they quickly warm up to the idea.
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Highly unlikey, most people aren't with sat radio because of SQ, but because they wanted something terrestrial radio didn't offer. 90% of listeners are not audiophiles, but do care about PROGRAMMING. Deeper playlists, formats not offered by free radio, and COMMERCIAL FREE music- not SQ. Even with HD, terrestrial radio still offers the same crap formats, gee don't those ads sound great in HD? Don't those same 100 songs sound better now? And its not 6 million, its nearly 15 million subcribers, and if you multiply it by the average # of listeners per unit, its over 30 million, larger than any single radio market (and growing). Get a clue dude!
Out of the 7.6M XM subscribers, how many of them have a Sirius satellite radio subscription also or have multiple subscriptions for other radios that they own? 6M plus 7.6M is 13.6M and not 15M and I was referring to only Sirius numbers. Also, how many of the 6M are multiple accounts for other radios from the same subscriber? You need to get a clue as well as lessons in addition.
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People are really warming up to the idea to Sat radio, it's becoming less of an oddity. I have a starmate docked in it's boombox at work and not only people in the office but outside folks too seem more interested in learning about it in the last few months than ever before.

Once people are curious then you let them listen to it, they quickly warm up to the idea.
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I'm obviously a believer in SATRAD although I only see room for one company. To your point that this is catching on.

A while ago when you'd do a E-bay search ( I got the idea reading it here, and now use it as an indicator ) you'd see 1000 listings for XM and 700 for Sirius. Yesterday there was 1700-1800 for EACH with active and high bids on all the units as their bids came due.

As Ebay, and Direct sales increase, more and more of the projections ( like Bridge ) will be increasingly incorrect.
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Yes it is pathetic, because the programming and draw that you offer is all part of it. XM has boxed themselves into a corner with lack of the programming that draws subscribers. This is called competition!

I do feel that iPods and other MP3 players out on the market do compete with Sat Radio and this is something that both SIRIUS and XM need to wake up too.

290 million folks listen to testical radio... hey that is great... that is a huge pool of potential subscribers and with the right products, content and marketing many of those can be obtained.
Like terrestrial radio is the main competition for satellite radio since terrestrial has approximately 50 times more people listening to it for free instead of paying for a monthly subscription for Sirius or XM. I can't wait until someone develops some software or device that could access all different types of radio for free without a monthly fee.
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I agree with you.

Why would we want to merge....when we can continue the way we are and have it all for free??
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Like terrestrial radio is the main competition for satellite radio since terrestrial has approximately 50 times more people listening to it for free instead of paying for a monthly subscription for Sirius or XM. I can't wait until someone develops some software or device that could access all different types of radio for free without a monthly fee.
Like them having 50 times more people listening makes a darn. There are many many people out there that are sick and tire of what testical radio is offering. Why do you think Sat Radio and MP3 players are popular now. If all this so called free radio was so great, then why would anyone want to subscribe to Sat Radio or bother with getting an MP3 player? The real deal is they are looking for more and that is what these offer them. Testical Radio sucks... plain and simple!

I see you didn't bother to respond in regards to the competition aspect of one having variety and programming that people want and YES they are willing to pay for it even if YOU aren't.
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I see you didn't bother to respond in regards to the competition aspect of one having variety and programming that people want and YES they are willing to pay for it even if YOU aren't.
I didn't answer it because it was irrelevant to the topic on this thread. XM made a forecast about the number of subscribers that they would get and it was not met, but they still had a positive cash flow and got additional subscribers. That's not pathetic. It would be pathetic if the opposite had occurred with losses of cash and a very large number of subscribers in the same numerical range. A gain is a gain no matter how you slice it. And if you want to make it a satellite radio versus terrestrial radio, the numbers support terrestrial radio since free is the key. If a company cannot persuade those numbers to switch to satellite radio, then it is very pathetic.
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Both Sirius and XM are growing at rates that are almost unprecedented for a new technology... apparently there is demand out there.
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290M terrestrial radio vs. 6M Sirius satellite radio subscribers from a 2.7M subscriber growth from last year. It is hardly a dent into those people who listen to terrestrial radio. If you really look at the numbers and applied them as customers to a business, something is most definitely wrong with satellite radio as far as drawing customers away from terrestrial radio. Accessing something to listen for free must be a real strong draw for keeping those customers.
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You must be joking. That just proves the opposite point. The incredible success and public acceptance of satellite radio. We are talking only 3 years here. Terrestrial radio has been around how long, 75 years? Satellite radio will never have anywhere near the listenership that terrestrial radio has, and never expects to. It will have at least 25% though.

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You must be joking. That just proves the opposite point. The incredible success and public acceptance of satellite radio. We are talking only 3 years here. Terrestrial radio has been around how long, 75 years? Satellite radio will never have anywhere near the listenership that terrestrial radio has, and never expects to. It will have at least 25% though.
It doesn't matter how long both forms of radio are out there. What matters is drawing people away from one form to get another one. Based on the number of terrestrial listeners and satellite radio subscribers in terms of business and customers, terrestrial wins out 50 times over and satellite is in big trouble for not drawing 25% to 50% of the people away from terrestrial. One of the main reasons is why should they pay for something that they could listen to for free. Most of them are waiting for someone to develop some software or a device for them to access all forms for free without paying for a monthly subscription.
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You know, I've struggled with this lately ( seeing Siri as being literally unstoppable in 2007-2008) also as I'm very sure Sirius is going to break into all of XM's OEM deals. I think the first contract to fall will be GM this November. The downside of Sirius NOT doing this is that Mel and Howard won't last forever...and this isn't lost on XM's management. I suspect after 2010 ( light years from now ) both will be moving. This has to be considered.

It comes down to price.

If XM can be had for a reasonable ( 4.5-6.0 billion + debt ) then I would think Mel should and will do it. What is to gain ?

1. Satellite network worth 1.0-1.5 billion.
2. 1.0 billion in revenue as of today.
3. ONA Big O and MLB content.
4. The very valuable bandwidth ( assumed )
5. Eliminates a competitor.

IF XM thinks their worth say 8.5-9.0 billion I'd say let them twist.

There is seldom a better investment than to take your competitor off the board. But it is always price dependent.
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It doesn't matter how long both forms of radio are out there. What matters is drawing people away from one form to get another one. Based on the number of terrestrial listeners and satellite radio subscribers in terms of business and customers, terrestrial wins out 50 times over and satellite is in big trouble for not drawing 25% to 50% of the people away from terrestrial.
By this measure CD's were a failure...at this point in their development, most people were still listening to cassettes; guess we might as well write them off! It took 7 years for CD players to get the kind of penetration in cars that SDARS has now.
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Yeah, that's why I don't pay for TV...I'm just waiting for someone to deliver ESPN, HBO, and The Food Network to me for free.
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Good point about the automakers. I think both GM and Honda, plus the others with exclusive contracts with XM will begin to feel tremendous pressure to offer both services. I'm a bit surprised this hasn't happened already. I think it will way before 2010.
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