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Old 01-06-2007, 12:36 PM   #31
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Don't get me wrong hieian, but did you just lose your job in terrestrial radio?
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By this measure CD's were a failure...at this point in their development, most people were still listening to cassettes; guess we might as well write them off! It took 7 years for CD players to get the kind of penetration in cars that SDARS has now.
You can't lump CDs back then with two current different formats of radio where one form that most people could listen for free while the other would require a lot more money to get a set up and pay for a monthly subscription. There are some technological developments to get terrestrial radio to have the same sound quality as satellite radio with HD radio and some podcasts with the correct software. The two different radio formats have nothing to do with changes in technology and storage like CDs.

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Yeah, that's why I don't pay for TV...I'm just waiting for someone to deliver ESPN, HBO, and The Food Network to me for free.
If you are satified with your local stations, then you must definitely be out of the loop with the latest news and information from cable tv which is more essential than some satellite radio subscription.

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Old 01-06-2007, 02:27 PM   #33
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If you are satified with your local stations, then you must definitely be out of the loop with the latest news and information from cable tv which is more essential than some satellite radio subscription.
If you are satified with your local stations, then you must definitely be in the loop with the latest 20-minute load of commercials from terrestrial radio which is less essential (to me) than any satellite radio subscription!

Even if cable TV were "more essential" , would it be realistic for me to expect that eventually someone will find a way for me to get all that content for free?!?
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Even if cable TV were "more essential" , would it be realistic for me to expect that eventually someone will find a way for me to get all that content for free?!?
There is nothing "essential" about cable news. In fact, if anything it makes people more ignorant than those that don't watch cable news. 10 minutes on the internet can get you better news than 24 hours of cable news channels.
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Whats all the hate for? If you are one of the millions who are happy with terrestrial radio and what you get for free, more power to you. If you are one of the many sat radio subscribers and are happy with it, great- you pay for it. But why do those who dont subscribe to it, hate it so much? Youre the majority, free radio will never go away, what are you upset with? With the fact that over 13 million people subscribe to it? So what? You aren't forced to pay for it or listen to it, so let it be! Why does it represent such a bad thing to you? There are far more free radio listeners than even ipod/mp3 player owners, so does that represent something you hate too? When someone in the majority attacks the minority, it concerns me.
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Whats all the hate for? If you are one of the millions who are happy with terrestrial radio and what you get for free, more power to you. If you are one of the many sat radio subscribers and are happy with it, great- you pay for it. But why do those who dont subscribe to it, hate it so much? Youre the majority, free radio will never go away, what are you upset with? With the fact that over 13 million people subscribe to it? So what? You aren't forced to pay for it or listen to it, so let it be! Why does it represent such a bad thing to you? There are far more free radio listeners than even ipod/mp3 player owners, so does that represent something you hate too? When someone in the majority attacks the minority, it concerns me.
I second that.
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I think the 290 million number is misleading. A large percentage of that 290 might listen to 10-20 minutes a day in their cars depending on their commute. How many of us Sat listeners listen for 20 minutes a day? None, I bet. We listen much more than the average Testicle radio listener. That's why we pay for it, we want more than the old format.

Not all of that 290 mill listen everyday. Just because it's readily available and free doesn't mean everyone is listening to all those boring ads and crappy songs.
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Whats all the hate for? If you are one of the millions who are happy with terrestrial radio and what you get for free, more power to you. If you are one of the many sat radio subscribers and are happy with it, great- you pay for it. But why do those who dont subscribe to it, hate it so much? Youre the majority, free radio will never go away, what are you upset with? With the fact that over 13 million people subscribe to it? So what? You aren't forced to pay for it or listen to it, so let it be! Why does it represent such a bad thing to you? There are far more free radio listeners than even ipod/mp3 player owners, so does that represent something you hate too? When someone in the majority attacks the minority, it concerns me.
I should be asking that to all the Sirius satellite radio subscribers that because their support for Sirius has blinded them to the reality of why the majority of the people would not subscribe to satellite radio. Also, making a comment how pathetic XM radio is for not having higher new subscription numbers compared to Sirius, but they have a positive cash flow along with an increase in subscribers also. It's not about hate from me, it's about posting the reality about certain things that needs to be checked.
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I am in no way "blinded" by anything. Terrestrial radio will always be the majority, and pay radio will never overtake it. It just represents alternate options for us in the minority. Many markets no longer offer oldies, country, reggae, classical or other niche programming. Where do their fans go to? They pay for the opportunity to get what they don't get or want on terrestrial. Many could care less, radio isnt that big of a thing to them, so be it. But, for those who do care and want a choice, we have XM and Sirius. Sure they are struggling, most new business ventures do. I have both XM and Sirius, they both do things I like and some I don't. Pathetic to you may not be to me. Likewise, what I find pathetic ( most terrestrial radio choices) you do not, so what? This is a free country and I am glad I have the opportunity to spend my dollar as I see fit. Free TV used the same arguments you have years ago when cable and sat tv came into being, they all exist fine now. There are alot more Nissans, Toyotas and Kia cars than there Jags or BMWs, quality isn't determined by numbers. I am afraid someone else has the blinders on and that can come from hate. There is your reality check.
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This agreement is subject to renegotiation if four years after the commencement of commercial operations and at two-year intervals thereafter General Motors does not achieve and maintain specified installation levels, starting with 1.24 million units after four years and thereafter increasing by the lesser of 600,000 units per year and amounts proportionate to our share of the satellite digital radio market. There can be no assurance as to the outcome of any such renegotiations. General Motors' exclusivity obligations will discontinue if, four years after we commenced commercial operations and at two-year intervals thereafter, our mobile aftermarket share falls below 40% if there are two satellite radio providers in the United States, or below 33% if there are three satellite radio providers in the United States.

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I am in no way "blinded" by anything. Terrestrial radio will always be the majority, and pay radio will never overtake it. It just represents alternate options for us in the minority. Many markets no longer offer oldies, country, reggae, classical or other niche programming. Where do their fans go to? They pay for the opportunity to get what they don't get or want on terrestrial. Many could care less, radio isnt that big of a thing to them, so be it. But, for those who do care and want a choice, we have XM and Sirius. Sure they are struggling, most new business ventures do. I have both XM and Sirius, they both do things I like and some I don't. Pathetic to you may not be to me. Likewise, what I find pathetic ( most terrestrial radio choices) you do not, so what? This is a free country and I am glad I have the opportunity to spend my dollar as I see fit. Free TV used the same arguments you have years ago when cable and sat tv came into being, they all exist fine now. There are alot more Nissans, Toyotas and Kia cars than there Jags or BMWs, quality isn't determined by numbers. I am afraid someone else has the blinders on and that can come from hate. There is your reality check.
You have just proven my previous response with this response. The reality check that I got from reading this weak explanation is that you are the one who has blinders on and are easily fooled into paying for a current gimmick with posting a defense and support of your actions that 290M people would see as a waste of money.
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hieian, you crack me up. You are like a salmon swimming upstream. Maybe we should all chip in ten cents and buy him a satellite (Sirius) radio.
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Merger within 6 months, before Sirius can pull ahead. XM had more than a year head start in the satellite business, and comes in with these kind of numbers. Pathetic.
Where were you 3 years ago?

A bunch of you have short term memory because you are new to the game.

XM is sucking wind but dont forget the whole sector sucks right now.

Given the Cap Levels what bank would fund a merger at this point?

These companies arent A+ rated... however they are valued as such.

IMO these companies are not worth investing at with their current cap levels.

I really am starting to think the model is broken.

The tech heads joined early... the car market exploded with 0% everywhere... the Stern fans jumped in (with subsidizing) and now what? What is the fuel that keeps the growth and cap levels at a reasonable value?

This is not the Holy Grail I thought it would be in 2002. It looks like a medicocre slow growing business.

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Why would you PAY for cable TV when there's free TV being broadcast? Oh yeah, because it gives you choices you can't get for free and it is worth it to you... Wait, what was your point again?

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